Cool article on Honda's oval piston RR engine background

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6/28/2018 1:38 PM

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6/28/2018 5:04 PM

Interesting- "I think if we had had fuel injection we could have been competitive, but with carburettors, by the time the NR engine had started, the two-strokes were already gone.”

That NR was quite the fascinating engine.

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6/28/2018 5:46 PM

Very cool!! I remember reading a technical article on the NR engine in the early eighties(or at least looking at the pics), what a spectacular machine! Thanks for sharing.

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6/28/2018 5:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/28/2018 5:57 PM

Matt Fisher wrote:

Interesting- "I think if we had had fuel injection we could have been competitive, but with carburettors, by the time the NR engine had started, the two-strokes were already gone.”

That NR was quite the fascinating engine.

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

6/28/2018 6:05 PM

Love reading stuff on the factory Honda teams from that development era when money (or creative design) seemed to be no object.

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6/28/2018 7:31 PM

Matt Fisher wrote:

Interesting- "I think if we had had fuel injection we could have been competitive, but with carburettors, by the time the NR engine had started, the two-strokes were already gone.”

That NR was quite the fascinating engine.

Brownstone322 wrote:

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

But if you have a welder, it's whatever the hell you want it to be.

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Go for it! Don't let a little thing like fear, or common sense hold you back.

6/28/2018 8:03 PM

Matt Fisher wrote:

Interesting- "I think if we had had fuel injection we could have been competitive, but with carburettors, by the time the NR engine had started, the two-strokes were already gone.”

That NR was quite the fascinating engine.

Brownstone322 wrote:

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

But if you have a welder, it's whatever the hell you want it to be.

Don't mind me, I just like welding penises.


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6/28/2018 8:29 PM

Brownstone322 wrote:

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

But if you have a welder, it's whatever the hell you want it to be.

slipdog wrote:

Don't mind me, I just like welding penises.


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6/28/2018 9:59 PM

Brownstone322 wrote:

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

But if you have a welder, it's whatever the hell you want it to be.

slipdog wrote:

Don't mind me, I just like welding penises.


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6/28/2018 10:14 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/29/2018 2:01 AM

Matt Fisher wrote:

Interesting- "I think if we had had fuel injection we could have been competitive, but with carburettors, by the time the NR engine had started, the two-strokes were already gone.”

That NR was quite the fascinating engine.

Brownstone322 wrote:

Yeah, it was, but it was an absurdly complicated answer to the simple elegance of a two-stroke.

When someone has a technical innovation that no one else copies or mimics -- whether it's Mazda's rotary or Saturn's plastic body panels -- there's usually a reason: It's not a good solution to a known problem. (Oh, and the oval-piston Honda was rumored to be oversized.)

But Honda always loved four-strokes. When the main tool in your box is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

You need to do some serious research into Soichiro Honda and Takeo Fujisawa and their philosophies regarding sustainability and the environment. Visionaries that close minded people like you just don't get. And think you know better.

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6/29/2018 1:32 AM

nice article, thanks. To build a bike like that a that time is just mind blowing. I don't know how you can design such an engine only with a piece of paper and pencil.

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6/29/2018 3:52 AM

I remember those bikes, only I thought it was two large oval pistons and four con rods, not double that. Now it’s all the more impressive.

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