Congratulations on shortening the motos.

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Edited Date/Time 9/2/2022 8:27am
You've just opened yourself up to a huge lawsuit and for all intents and purposes pled guilty. *

Anytime an organization makes a decision it needs to look at the big picture and all possible eventualities.

God forbid if someone heatstrokes out or has a major issue that rider's family now has solid grounds for a lawsuit. They have all but admitted that conditions make it unsafe to race and by shortening the motos they have given any ambulance chasing lawyer in the country everything they need.


* Note: I do not agree with suing over this, but I do know scumbag lawyers exist and I would not want them coming after my organization. If you think I'm being a bit too much on this go ask for a super hot coffee at McDonalds.
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So it’s either full length races or nothing at all?

The clowns are coming out of the woodwork over this decision…
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ando wrote:
So it’s either full length races or nothing at all?

The clowns are coming out of the woodwork over this decision…
EAD


How am I a clown for thinking about the ramifications of a decision. You've obviously never been in a position in an organization where your decisions ever mattered.
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ando wrote:
So it’s either full length races or nothing at all?

The clowns are coming out of the woodwork over this decision…
McG194 wrote:
EAD How am I a clown for thinking about the ramifications of a decision. You've obviously never been in a position in an organization where your...
EAD


How am I a clown for thinking about the ramifications of a decision. You've obviously never been in a position in an organization where your decisions ever mattered.
Well you’d be very wrong with that assumption.
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I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
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FastEddy wrote:
I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
In this litigious society it's a legit concern.
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McG194 wrote:
You've just opened yourself up to a huge lawsuit and for all intents and purposes pled guilty. * Anytime an organization makes a decision it needs...
You've just opened yourself up to a huge lawsuit and for all intents and purposes pled guilty. *

Anytime an organization makes a decision it needs to look at the big picture and all possible eventualities.

God forbid if someone heatstrokes out or has a major issue that rider's family now has solid grounds for a lawsuit. They have all but admitted that conditions make it unsafe to race and by shortening the motos they have given any ambulance chasing lawyer in the country everything they need.


* Note: I do not agree with suing over this, but I do know scumbag lawyers exist and I would not want them coming after my organization. If you think I'm being a bit too much on this go ask for a super hot coffee at McDonalds.
I love when the McDonalds coffee story comes up. (this is not a slam on you OP)

There is much more to the story that most never heard.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

I'm all for personal responsibility and totally against frivolous lawsuits....but in this case, McDonalds was in the wrong and un-repentant about it.
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You come up with some of the worst takes and that has to take some effort on your part. I think you just like throwing temper tantrums when people don't agree with your opinions.

When Lichtle died, there was a lawsuit against every party they could drum up. The promoter makes a change to prevent this and you believe that opens them up to more trouble?

How about: it shows they took preventative measures and altered a program that has been in place for 40 years? There's always going to be lawsuits when shit hits the fan. Race promoters are doing everything in their power to ensure a safe event for everybody.

They would have less of a case against a lawsuit if they did nothing and ran the races like they were scheduled. Now they have a clear line of communication and actions taken to alleviate the potential issues.





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McG194 wrote:
EAD How am I a clown for thinking about the ramifications of a decision. You've obviously never been in a position in an organization where your...
EAD


How am I a clown for thinking about the ramifications of a decision. You've obviously never been in a position in an organization where your decisions ever mattered.
Bro, you must be like super important and stuff. Super happy for you.
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FastEddy wrote:
I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
McG194 wrote:
In this litigious society it's a legit concern.
I understand your point on that.
I just wonder if the insurance companies have any say in these type of decisions.
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Every post you have is negative and sucks ass, shut the fuck up
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FastEddy wrote:
I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their broker first. Fun fact, our agency brokers the insurance for many of the top Moto companies.

I am certain that their legal counsel, risk management team and insurance carriers have drafted a precise waiver for athletes to sign and release of liability arising out of the engagement of the sport.
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So glad I don't live in America, it comes down to personal responsibility. If you don't feel it's safe to race in that heat, don't line up 🤷‍♂️
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You and Sloan must just sit at your computers all day waiting for any reason to make up some smooth brain thread ha
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I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their...
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their broker first. Fun fact, our agency brokers the insurance for many of the top Moto companies.

I am certain that their legal counsel, risk management team and insurance carriers have drafted a precise waiver for athletes to sign and release of liability arising out of the engagement of the sport.
Thank you for the info.
Good post!
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You come up with some of the worst takes and that has to take some effort on your part. I think you just like throwing temper...
You come up with some of the worst takes and that has to take some effort on your part. I think you just like throwing temper tantrums when people don't agree with your opinions.

When Lichtle died, there was a lawsuit against every party they could drum up. The promoter makes a change to prevent this and you believe that opens them up to more trouble?

How about: it shows they took preventative measures and altered a program that has been in place for 40 years? There's always going to be lawsuits when shit hits the fan. Race promoters are doing everything in their power to ensure a safe event for everybody.

They would have less of a case against a lawsuit if they did nothing and ran the races like they were scheduled. Now they have a clear line of communication and actions taken to alleviate the potential issues.





There is no temper tantrum being thrown, I don't care who agrees with me or doesn't agree with me. If you notice a lot of my posts I don't give my true opinion. I personally think it sucks that there were so many suits when Lichtle died, you agree to compete and you are agreeing that you physically can withstand the conditions you will be put under. I just brought up the fact that by admitting there could be a problem they could be accused of willful negligence (they didn't do enough) while if they didn't do anything there is potential for plausible deniability.

As far as bad takes sometimes you are just bullshitting and it's nothing more than that. I'd say that I'm on point way more than I'm not. I made another post about changing it to a night race and I took the education that Pala was more spread out than I thought and that it really didn't cool down as fast as it does in Florida. Others had a better idea of running first thing in the morning.
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McG194 wrote:
There is no temper tantrum being thrown, I don't care who agrees with me or doesn't agree with me. If you notice a lot of my...
There is no temper tantrum being thrown, I don't care who agrees with me or doesn't agree with me. If you notice a lot of my posts I don't give my true opinion. I personally think it sucks that there were so many suits when Lichtle died, you agree to compete and you are agreeing that you physically can withstand the conditions you will be put under. I just brought up the fact that by admitting there could be a problem they could be accused of willful negligence (they didn't do enough) while if they didn't do anything there is potential for plausible deniability.

As far as bad takes sometimes you are just bullshitting and it's nothing more than that. I'd say that I'm on point way more than I'm not. I made another post about changing it to a night race and I took the education that Pala was more spread out than I thought and that it really didn't cool down as fast as it does in Florida. Others had a better idea of running first thing in the morning.
Some night nationals would be great to see though. Smile
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9/1/2022 3:17pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2022 3:24pm
Cygrace74 wrote:
Every post you have is negative and sucks ass, shut the fuck up
You hate me and I don't know who you are. Thanks for the free rent in your head.

Really dude, somewhere in the world another guy thinks someone may get sued and you need to freak out and drop f bombs. You may need to talk to someone.
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FastEddy wrote:
I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their...
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their broker first. Fun fact, our agency brokers the insurance for many of the top Moto companies.

I am certain that their legal counsel, risk management team and insurance carriers have drafted a precise waiver for athletes to sign and release of liability arising out of the engagement of the sport.
Thanks for shedding some factual knowledge on the subject.
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No one is being forced to line up, if you feel it’s dangerous don’t go. Pretty simple.
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The CEO for MX Sports is a lawyer.....
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FastEddy wrote:
I'm sure they have great insurance.
I wonder if they run these decisions by their insurance company first... or how that all works?
Anyone know?
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their...
I’m an insurance broker for world class clients and the amount of exclusions in their policies are insane. I’m certain they run all decisions by their broker first. Fun fact, our agency brokers the insurance for many of the top Moto companies.

I am certain that their legal counsel, risk management team and insurance carriers have drafted a precise waiver for athletes to sign and release of liability arising out of the engagement of the sport.
McG194 wrote:
Thanks for shedding some factual knowledge on the subject.
No worries, I primarily work with large hospitals who often put together community events and I’ve seen exclusions be put in place prior to the date of the event.
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Good luck suing these track owners…
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Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the racers. If either rider gets a bad start and are catching the other at the end of the shortened moto, this move will go down as the worst decision made in possibly the greatest season in the sports history. What sport does this? Amateur move guys! I hope that the rider that wins this championship wins by a large enough margin to squash any doubt about this decision.
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Mit12 wrote:
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the...
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the racers. If either rider gets a bad start and are catching the other at the end of the shortened moto, this move will go down as the worst decision made in possibly the greatest season in the sports history. What sport does this? Amateur move guys! I hope that the rider that wins this championship wins by a large enough margin to squash any doubt about this decision.
They did.
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Mit12 wrote:
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the...
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the racers. If either rider gets a bad start and are catching the other at the end of the shortened moto, this move will go down as the worst decision made in possibly the greatest season in the sports history. What sport does this? Amateur move guys! I hope that the rider that wins this championship wins by a large enough margin to squash any doubt about this decision.
SLAPAHO wrote:
They did.
I would think that if this were true the headline would have been, after asking the riders the decision was made to shorten the races to 25+2 due to the extreme weather forecasted at Paula this weekend.
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Mit12 wrote:
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the...
Why not ask the two riders that are locked in a series long battle separated by just 1 point? I guess MXSports knows better than the racers. If either rider gets a bad start and are catching the other at the end of the shortened moto, this move will go down as the worst decision made in possibly the greatest season in the sports history. What sport does this? Amateur move guys! I hope that the rider that wins this championship wins by a large enough margin to squash any doubt about this decision.
SLAPAHO wrote:
They did.
Mit12 wrote:
I would think that if this were true the headline would have been, after asking the riders the decision was made to shorten the races to...
I would think that if this were true the headline would have been, after asking the riders the decision was made to shorten the races to 25+2 due to the extreme weather forecasted at Paula this weekend.
Per Pulp yesterday. Honda and Star are both onboard with the shorter races . Or so I read on Vital
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McG194 wrote:
You've just opened yourself up to a huge lawsuit and for all intents and purposes pled guilty. * Anytime an organization makes a decision it needs...
You've just opened yourself up to a huge lawsuit and for all intents and purposes pled guilty. *

Anytime an organization makes a decision it needs to look at the big picture and all possible eventualities.

God forbid if someone heatstrokes out or has a major issue that rider's family now has solid grounds for a lawsuit. They have all but admitted that conditions make it unsafe to race and by shortening the motos they have given any ambulance chasing lawyer in the country everything they need.


* Note: I do not agree with suing over this, but I do know scumbag lawyers exist and I would not want them coming after my organization. If you think I'm being a bit too much on this go ask for a super hot coffee at McDonalds.
Sound reasoning and logic are not your strong suit eh?

No one is forcing these guys to race. If a rider thinks it’s un safe no one is forcing them to race.

Good luck coming up with your next idiotic topic.
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