Club MX being sued, could affect other tracks?

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dkurtd 1/21/2019 12:49pm
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navalseabee wrote:
No they're not but it doesnt take a rock scientist to spot a potentially dangerous situation.
akillerwombat wrote:
People often overlook the important of rock scientists.

Especially when mining.
Did you mean importance? If you are going to check someone on grammar please ensure you grasp it.
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akillerwombat 1/21/2019 12:56pm
1/21/2019 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2019 12:57pm
navalseabee wrote:
No they're not but it doesnt take a rock scientist to spot a potentially dangerous situation.
akillerwombat wrote:
People often overlook the important of rock scientists.

Especially when mining.
dkurtd wrote:
Did you mean importance? If you are going to check someone on grammar please ensure you grasp it.
No, I meant what I written.

I a grammer scientist.
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MPJC 1/21/2019 1:18pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
People often overlook the important of rock scientists.

Especially when mining.
dkurtd wrote:
Did you mean importance? If you are going to check someone on grammar please ensure you grasp it.
akillerwombat wrote:
No, I meant what I written.

I a grammer scientist.
Are you a moran? It's the "importants" of rock scientists.
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akillerwombat 1/21/2019 1:24pm
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dkurtd wrote:
Did you mean importance? If you are going to check someone on grammar please ensure you grasp it.
akillerwombat wrote:
No, I meant what I written.

I a grammer scientist.
MPJC wrote:
Are you a moran? It's the "importants" of rock scientists.
I import ants. They rock scientists.
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I work in business insurance and each morning I skim through the daily email newsletter. This time, an article caught my attention. It was about a...
I work in business insurance and each morning I skim through the daily email newsletter. This time, an article caught my attention.

It was about a father who is suing Club Mx after his son passed away at the track in 2014. I can’t imagine what the father and family must have felt and I send my condolences to them.

What is interesting is that they are fighting to change the way that tracks operate. I wonder if they’ll win and tracks will become more expensive to operate resulting in higher gate fees for participants?

Check out the article here:

http://www.advisen.com/tools/fpnproc/news_detail3.php?list_id=1&email=k…
Unfortunately every time a track gets sued it affects every other track even if not directly. Insurance rates and zoning laws have all been affected by track lawsuits and its will only get worse.
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Pete The Fisherman 1/21/2019 3:04pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
People often overlook the important of rock scientists.

Especially when mining.
dkurtd wrote:
Did you mean importance? If you are going to check someone on grammar please ensure you grasp it.
akillerwombat wrote:
No, I meant what I written.

I a grammer scientist.

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Indy mxer 1/21/2019 4:14pm
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kaptkaos wrote:
They were first timers and explained the situation to the track and were directed onto the track. Father is supposed to know everything like a Vitard...
They were first timers and explained the situation to the track and were directed onto the track. Father is supposed to know everything like a Vitard knows everything right?

Tracktor wrote:
No he isn’t. But that doesn’t clear him of the finsl responsibility. It is someone else’s job to assess your level if knowledge on a subject...
No he isn’t. But that doesn’t clear him of the finsl responsibility. It is someone else’s job to assess your level if knowledge on a subject.
I am a total proponent of split practices and also personal responsibility. If you put your mini rider out on the track with big bikes it’s your fault as a parent 100% if they get hurt. Which is why I never did it. ....
I do agree with you guys, as sad as it is, that the Dad does share some blame here. But at the end of the day, the track shouldn't put him in a position to have to make a choice.
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Freakazoid 1/23/2019 8:08am
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Can someone explain to me how it is the tracks fault for the kid sending a 15 footer?
Andy_Greenney 1/23/2019 8:56am
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Can someone explain to me how it is the tracks fault for the kid sending a 15 footer?
The kid didn’t send the 15 footer and got landed on by someone who did. Point being the track should have separated different abilities somewhat.

Surprised it isn’t a common thing over there, I would say almost every track I’ve been to over here let’s the riders decide what ability riding group they wish to enter. Kids get their own group, whether it’s insurance or not I don’t know but it a pretty sensible approach.
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chuck317 1/23/2019 3:46pm
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suing the track will not do anything.
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Indy mxer 1/23/2019 4:39pm
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chuck317 wrote:
suing the track will not do anything.
I think you're wrong on that. Although I hate that they are doing it, maybe it will open the eyes of other tracks.
Then things like this won't happen. So sad that it easily can be prevented.
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cody41 1/24/2019 4:57am
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I’ve landed on a kid off of a 90ft step up triple. Practice was broke into classes and this was the A/B class. The kid just decided not to jump it, but decided he wanted to run up front at the start of practice. Could the track owners have prevented it? No, it was just a riding incident. For those of you living under a rock and wrapped in bubble wrap, this kind of stuff happens all of the time. Not necessarily does someone die, but accidents happen. Maybe the kid should not have jumped the double, and maybe the kid who died should have jumped the double. Bitching and complaining about who’s right, who’s wrong, and what SHOULD have been done is absolutely pointless. Unless something ridiculous happens like crashing into a tractor because the guy is driving it on the track during practice, then sueing a track is pointless, and that’s what’s wrong with people these days. You sign a waiver before you ride, plain and simple. If you can’t read or learn the concept of risk, then oh well, that’s your own fault.
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MPJC 1/24/2019 6:43am
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cody41 wrote:
I’ve landed on a kid off of a 90ft step up triple. Practice was broke into classes and this was the A/B class. The kid just...
I’ve landed on a kid off of a 90ft step up triple. Practice was broke into classes and this was the A/B class. The kid just decided not to jump it, but decided he wanted to run up front at the start of practice. Could the track owners have prevented it? No, it was just a riding incident. For those of you living under a rock and wrapped in bubble wrap, this kind of stuff happens all of the time. Not necessarily does someone die, but accidents happen. Maybe the kid should not have jumped the double, and maybe the kid who died should have jumped the double. Bitching and complaining about who’s right, who’s wrong, and what SHOULD have been done is absolutely pointless. Unless something ridiculous happens like crashing into a tractor because the guy is driving it on the track during practice, then sueing a track is pointless, and that’s what’s wrong with people these days. You sign a waiver before you ride, plain and simple. If you can’t read or learn the concept of risk, then oh well, that’s your own fault.
I absolutely agree that people should understand the risks involved in what they're doing (or what their kids are doing) and think that it's unfortunate when people become litigious after an accident after signing a waiver. But I wouldn't say that it's pointless to talk about what should have been done. Some accidents are, as you say, just riding incidents. In other cases, there may be a lesson to be learned by asking what could have been done differently (such as providing basic information to beginners about staying over to the side when not jumping). No set of protocols or best practices would prevent all accidents, but they may prevent some. I don't think that anyone who participates in moto is a living under a rock wrapped in bubble wrap kind of person. It just makes sense to prevent what's easily preventable.
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Andy_Greenney 1/24/2019 7:07am
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cody41 wrote:
I’ve landed on a kid off of a 90ft step up triple. Practice was broke into classes and this was the A/B class. The kid just...
I’ve landed on a kid off of a 90ft step up triple. Practice was broke into classes and this was the A/B class. The kid just decided not to jump it, but decided he wanted to run up front at the start of practice. Could the track owners have prevented it? No, it was just a riding incident. For those of you living under a rock and wrapped in bubble wrap, this kind of stuff happens all of the time. Not necessarily does someone die, but accidents happen. Maybe the kid should not have jumped the double, and maybe the kid who died should have jumped the double. Bitching and complaining about who’s right, who’s wrong, and what SHOULD have been done is absolutely pointless. Unless something ridiculous happens like crashing into a tractor because the guy is driving it on the track during practice, then sueing a track is pointless, and that’s what’s wrong with people these days. You sign a waiver before you ride, plain and simple. If you can’t read or learn the concept of risk, then oh well, that’s your own fault.
Was you wearing a crash helmet at the time? Why bother? We all know the risks.

If risks can be reduced without stopping people from riding all together then it can only be a good thing, grouping riders into different abilities falls into this category.
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akillerwombat 1/24/2019 8:24am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Was you wearing a crash helmet at the time? Why bother? We all know the risks. If risks can be reduced without stopping people from riding...
Was you wearing a crash helmet at the time? Why bother? We all know the risks.

If risks can be reduced without stopping people from riding all together then it can only be a good thing, grouping riders into different abilities falls into this category.
This thread is a perfect reflection of so much wrong with everything in the world right now.

Being the extremely small group of people we are (motocross riders), of which seems to be getting smaller and smaller everyday (according to countless other threads), we should all be willing to explore and exhaust all options to make this sport as safe as possible for people looking to enter it... even more so as the rate of natural riding spots closing will be forcing peoples first experience with dirt bikes to be a track situation. If grouping riders into different abilities is one of those way we should without a doubt be trying it.

But, proving to be just like the world outside of motocross, the world inside of motocross is saying, "I want what's best for me; fuck everyone else". And as history has dictated when you take that stance, it tends to lead to a lot of destabilization and we all end up losing.

I guarantee everyone when shit like this happens again (of which it will just by the nature of the sport alone) it will draw a bunch more negative attention to the sport and we should be protecting ourselves as riders as much as possible by being able to prove, when incidents like this arise, that we have worked tirelessly to create the absolute safest situation for the rider (regardless of their skill level).
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piscokid 1/24/2019 2:15pm
1/24/2019 2:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2019 2:16pm
I would like to point out the article states "a larger, more experienced, older biker" landed on his back. There is a lot of speculation that there were big and little bikes on the track at the same time. It very well could have been a "a larger, more experienced, older biker" on a super mini. A super mini would have certainly been allowed on the track at the same time as the 85.
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Dr.201 1/27/2019 3:44pm
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Why do we have to be so damned litigious in the U.S?

It is a tragedy and the track should help the family by paying for his funeral/burial and by giving the family some compensation, not that it will really help there situation. I know it won't give them closure but it will help as it is the right thing to do. We don't need anymore tracks being shut down. Maybe put the track on on some sort of insurance "probation" to ensure that they are staying on top of safety?
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