Charlier Testing the '21 Beta MXGP Bike?

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2021 3:32pm
Caught this on his insta. Supposedly he might be tagged for the Beta MXGP, per Gatedrop.com.




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Mxnewsnet on IG posted a photo of it in the pits and said it was Beta’s 450
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Nice - hes such a versatile rider too, he's won ISDE and MXON titles. Now, I wonder how long before KTM buys them out Grinning
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12/24/2020 7:10am Edited Date/Time 12/24/2020 7:10am
'22 model anticipation has my wallet warming up.. Team Austria should have new models as well.

Other than a 19" rear wheel and the factory accessory muffler not much new to see. Let's assume they punched it out to a 450 and didn't leave it a 430?
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'22 model anticipation has my wallet warming up.. Team Austria should have new models as well. Other than a 19" rear wheel and the factory accessory...
'22 model anticipation has my wallet warming up.. Team Austria should have new models as well.

Other than a 19" rear wheel and the factory accessory muffler not much new to see. Let's assume they punched it out to a 450 and didn't leave it a 430?
I'm very happy with my 200RR that I picked up back in January. Our local dealer has a 300RX in route that is not spoken for yet. When I was in there the other day he said he had tracking and was expecting it at any point. Hoping Beta does well moving into the MX world.
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12/24/2020 10:42am Edited Date/Time 12/24/2020 10:42am
https://gatedrop.com/rumour-jeremy-van-horebeek-tests-the-beta-mxgp-202…

"Now the more interesting rumours – who will race for the team? We believe that Jeremy Van Horebeek has tested the bike and has another test scheduled – it remains to be seen if he will sign with the team but it’s thought to be realistic at this stage."
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Van horenbeek would be awsome to see.
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Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
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I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont want it anymore, this looks a lot more appealing. Hopefully they also make some unique engine sizes in the 4t offering like a 290-310
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dbx33 wrote:
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont...
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont want it anymore, this looks a lot more appealing. Hopefully they also make some unique engine sizes in the 4t offering like a 290-310
What would be the advantage of a 290 or 310 vs a 300?
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
thehenk wrote:
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
Yes.
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dbx33 wrote:
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont...
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont want it anymore, this looks a lot more appealing. Hopefully they also make some unique engine sizes in the 4t offering like a 290-310
What would be the advantage of a 290 or 310 vs a 300?
I just think there's more of a market for a 290-310cc 4t mx bike than just a 270 kit bike. the 270 kits still are 250f's in their character just more everywhere. a 300 or 310 would likely be the best all around bike IMO for most guys. I hated the 21 350sxf I bought instantly, it has the engine inertia like a 450 and felt like an absolute tank compared to the 250. If they make a 310 based off a 250cc bottom end with just a few mm longer stroke and a 270 kit equiv bore it should be a lot more linear like a 450 but with enough bottom end that the 270 kit bikes just dont have.


same market of play or open vet class racer as the 300 2 strokes.
that said I also think the 290/293cc 2 strokes dont make ideal sense... a 330-360 would likely be the best In my eyes for that same purpose.



back to the 4t's.... beta makes the 390 & 430 bikes by playing the the bore-stroke ratios and getting totally difference riding characters out of the bikes. thats what id like to see for the lites bikes. I dont think there much to be had by going bigger than 450cc.
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
thehenk wrote:
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
tek14 wrote:
Yes.
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
thehenk wrote:
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
tek14 wrote:
Yes.
Please tell me, what you see is wrong with the suspension? What about that is enduro?
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thehenk wrote:
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
You can see that just from the video of him jumping twice. Are you some suspension specialist?
tek14 wrote:
Yes.
thehenk wrote:
Please tell me, what you see is wrong with the suspension? What about that is enduro?
The suspension action was very reminiscent of a 1981 PE 175 ....Wink
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tek14 wrote:
Yes.
thehenk wrote:
Please tell me, what you see is wrong with the suspension? What about that is enduro?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
The suspension action was very reminiscent of a 1981 PE 175 ....Wink
I hope the brakes are a shit load better
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dbx33 wrote:
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont...
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont want it anymore, this looks a lot more appealing. Hopefully they also make some unique engine sizes in the 4t offering like a 290-310
What would be the advantage of a 290 or 310 vs a 300?
dbx33 wrote:
I just think there's more of a market for a 290-310cc 4t mx bike than just a 270 kit bike. the 270 kits still are 250f's...
I just think there's more of a market for a 290-310cc 4t mx bike than just a 270 kit bike. the 270 kits still are 250f's in their character just more everywhere. a 300 or 310 would likely be the best all around bike IMO for most guys. I hated the 21 350sxf I bought instantly, it has the engine inertia like a 450 and felt like an absolute tank compared to the 250. If they make a 310 based off a 250cc bottom end with just a few mm longer stroke and a 270 kit equiv bore it should be a lot more linear like a 450 but with enough bottom end that the 270 kit bikes just dont have.


same market of play or open vet class racer as the 300 2 strokes.
that said I also think the 290/293cc 2 strokes dont make ideal sense... a 330-360 would likely be the best In my eyes for that same purpose.



back to the 4t's.... beta makes the 390 & 430 bikes by playing the the bore-stroke ratios and getting totally difference riding characters out of the bikes. thats what id like to see for the lites bikes. I dont think there much to be had by going bigger than 450cc.
Beta would need to build a complete new motor. The 350 uses the same platform and it’s already a really big motor for that cc size (my son used to race the 350). Last time I asked Beta had no plans to build smaller bore 4t motor.

For a 300cc 4t motocrosser there’s already a great alternative in the TM.
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dbx33 wrote:
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont...
I ordered a rx300 a while ago supposed delivered for sure no later than dec 15th.... well that came and went so said no thanks dont want it anymore, this looks a lot more appealing. Hopefully they also make some unique engine sizes in the 4t offering like a 290-310
What would be the advantage of a 290 or 310 vs a 300?
dbx33 wrote:
I just think there's more of a market for a 290-310cc 4t mx bike than just a 270 kit bike. the 270 kits still are 250f's...
I just think there's more of a market for a 290-310cc 4t mx bike than just a 270 kit bike. the 270 kits still are 250f's in their character just more everywhere. a 300 or 310 would likely be the best all around bike IMO for most guys. I hated the 21 350sxf I bought instantly, it has the engine inertia like a 450 and felt like an absolute tank compared to the 250. If they make a 310 based off a 250cc bottom end with just a few mm longer stroke and a 270 kit equiv bore it should be a lot more linear like a 450 but with enough bottom end that the 270 kit bikes just dont have.


same market of play or open vet class racer as the 300 2 strokes.
that said I also think the 290/293cc 2 strokes dont make ideal sense... a 330-360 would likely be the best In my eyes for that same purpose.



back to the 4t's.... beta makes the 390 & 430 bikes by playing the the bore-stroke ratios and getting totally difference riding characters out of the bikes. thats what id like to see for the lites bikes. I dont think there much to be had by going bigger than 450cc.
I’ve been saying that same thing lately. Tm really should make a 350+\- cc 2 stroke.

Make it linear, smooth but with near 450 power levels and much lighter.

The 300 2 stroke I have is awesome, but for faster and fitter riders a 350 or maybe 370 2 stroke might really be a 450 alternative.
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.
Yup, that Charlier guy don't know shit about MX, he only won the MXoN - right after the ISDE.
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tek14 wrote:
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind...
Watching that video they have still some testing to do before real racing on MXGP level. Looked more like enduro setting at rear. Racing those kind of speeds and track is whole new thing after riding around trees in woods.

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beta has the money, they tested the market with the new 300rx and sold every one almost instantly. so they know but aren't telling everyone they are getting into the MX market. If someone buys my car dealership id love to open a beta dealer and new race shop in TX. Id put money on the fact they will be cranking out multi class mx bikes for sure by 23'. as others have said, I agree, their race edition enduro bikes are equal to ktm quality.

We just need some different CC bikes for new play bikes, vet riders, first riders, and just people bored or wtf to buy when they already have 2 or 4 bikes in the garage.

Either way its LOOONNNNGGGG overdue to get some new investments into the MX world. Seriously.... NOTHING has changed at all since 2004 when 4 strokes took over.... no real changes just refinements


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While we wait for negotiations to play out a few things about Beta. There is no 250 4t known to be in development plans, that could always change. Beta's EnduroGP team bikes have always run well tuned stock suspension. The former Beta team partner Boano always ran Ohlins with great success, I'd imagine if Beta is to partner with SDM Corse they may have to surrender control over suspension components.

About that jump in the video, it is a jump to flat so using most of the travel is normal, and it is just testing.
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In the fuzzy photo of the bike being ridden the exhaust header appears to be be very long , so it's obvious there must be some serious internal changes. I have a hard time understanding the negative reaction by some to Beta making a commitment to go MXGP racing. They pound on Suzuki for pulling out and pound on Beta for jumping in, WTF. What are you afraid of, more riders at the gate, more interest from casual fans? The fact that Beta is willing to invest the time ,effort, and money in this project should be applauded. Will they win soon, probably not, can they battle for 10th, absolutely, will that be enough to get people to open their wallets and by a new RX, we'll see. But I will tell you this, I have a new 300RX on the way and a 450RX in the oven, Ciao.
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Caught this on his insta. Supposedly he might be tagged for the Beta MXGP, per Gatedrop.com. View this post on Instagram A post shared by Christophe...
Caught this on his insta. Supposedly he might be tagged for the Beta MXGP, per Gatedrop.com.




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Freddy wrote:
Cant wait to hear the bike review from tek14 after watching this video!
Cant wait to hear the bike review from tek14 after watching this video!
Well its same video so how much progress you can see?
Sorry if truth did hurt your Beta feelings.
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While we wait for negotiations to play out a few things about Beta. There is no 250 4t known to be in development plans, that could...
While we wait for negotiations to play out a few things about Beta. There is no 250 4t known to be in development plans, that could always change. Beta's EnduroGP team bikes have always run well tuned stock suspension. The former Beta team partner Boano always ran Ohlins with great success, I'd imagine if Beta is to partner with SDM Corse they may have to surrender control over suspension components.

About that jump in the video, it is a jump to flat so using most of the travel is normal, and it is just testing.
The Beta brass must sleep well at night Johnny knowing you are there to always back them up😂😎
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