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Well, almost. There is a banner on the side of this page. A motocross track near Houston, 3 Palms, is holding an event on Sunday May 28. The winner in every amateur class a gets VISA gift card good for 25% of all the entry fees in their class.

Example = 20 riders in a class times $40 entry fee = $800. The winner of that class will get a VISA gift card in the amount of $200.

Also that same day, they will be hold a motocross drag race. $10 entry fee, or $5 entry fee if you participated in the motocross race.

The motocross race will be only a two lap sprint. However, they are going to let the riders vote on which track on the property they want to race on. One of the choices is what they call the "Super Track". It combines two of their tracks. I pretty sure this will be the track that gets voted in.

As for the Motocross Drag Race. It will be bracket style and the classes will be determined by cc's, not skill level.

For more info click on the banner or top of this page or go to www.ThreePalmsESP.com.
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Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C & D riders had the opportunity to win like a diesel truck or something. Adam Chatfield raced the C class (under someone else's name). He fell, got up and blistered everyone and won the truck. After the dust settled the truth came out and the truck was then given to the second place finisher, a true C rider. Pretty crazy. I don't see this going over too well.
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5/4/2017 7:33am
I was about to say, this sounds like a recipe for some true sandbagging.
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5/4/2017 7:52am Edited Date/Time 5/4/2017 7:53am
IWreckALot wrote:
I was about to say, this sounds like a recipe for some true sandbagging.
100%

Back in the early 2000's promoters around where I live would give away dealer dollars, and manufacturers would pay contingency (especially Suzuki). You could walk away with over a grand worth of shit if you won 250C, 450C, and Open C. I'm fairly sure that's why there was always 3 full gates for every C class (D1, D2, & D3) then only about 12 B riders and 5ish A riders.... pretty shitty.
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TJMX947 wrote:
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C &...
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C & D riders had the opportunity to win like a diesel truck or something. Adam Chatfield raced the C class (under someone else's name). He fell, got up and blistered everyone and won the truck. After the dust settled the truth came out and the truck was then given to the second place finisher, a true C rider. Pretty crazy. I don't see this going over too well.
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.

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We have an Open Pro/Non-Pro class that allows B and C riders to sign up. If they finish in a payout position, they get a Visa gift card instead of cash. Quite frankly, I don't agree with it. Move up if you can finish in the top third vs Pros.

I also got gift cards as a volunteer firefighter for my time at contracted EMS events. That, I was totally okay with.

I really don't understand how a debit card with cash loaded on it is different than cash.
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since when can amateurs race for money and still keep their ama eligibility?
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IWreckALot wrote:
I was about to say, this sounds like a recipe for some true sandbagging.
Hopefully the sandbagging won't be as bad as the truck giveaway cluster.
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TJMX947 wrote:
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C &...
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C & D riders had the opportunity to win like a diesel truck or something. Adam Chatfield raced the C class (under someone else's name). He fell, got up and blistered everyone and won the truck. After the dust settled the truth came out and the truck was then given to the second place finisher, a true C rider. Pretty crazy. I don't see this going over too well.
lostboy819 wrote:
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won "...
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.
THATS RIGHT! Memory wasn't serving me very well.
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am·a·teur
ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/
noun
1.a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson;

adjective
1.engaging or engaged in without payment; nonprofessional.
"an amateur archaeologist"
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, lay; dilettante
"an amateur sportsman"
5/4/2017 11:59am
Sounds good, Larry. Only issue is that since we now run 48 bazillion classes on race day, each class only has 5 riders in it.Dry Kinda dilutes the payback on entry fees.

Now if we were running a Mini, 100, 125, 175, 250, and Open class this would be awesome. The gates would be full. And everyone could get more than 3 laps for a second moto. And still be home by 5 PM. But that doesn't fit the homeschooled, Loretta chasing, gonna be a millionaire, narrative of today's participation trophy heroes who are overly concerned about "pointing out" of whatever class they're sandbagging so they can qualify.

Wait, did you say $40 for a 2 lap moto? Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
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Hey Zoom, I think you meant MAY 28.
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The C class will be stacked! Bet on that.
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TJMX947 wrote:
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C &...
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C & D riders had the opportunity to win like a diesel truck or something. Adam Chatfield raced the C class (under someone else's name). He fell, got up and blistered everyone and won the truck. After the dust settled the truth came out and the truck was then given to the second place finisher, a true C rider. Pretty crazy. I don't see this going over too well.
lostboy819 wrote:
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won "...
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel.

What I could never figure out is why the chose the C class for that event....mid 2000's were the epitome of sand bagging in the novice class, and the prizes they were giving out we're bound to draw some shady dealings.

If I remember correctly, grand prize was a brand new F-250, and then there were 4 brand new 250fs for finishing 2nd-5th (2nd place got their pick of any bike, 3rd/4th/5th picked what was left in the order of their finish)

Could have been a really cool event had they but more thought into it...can't imagine the turnout they would have began to have had they chosen a different class for the inaugural event and the series would have continued.

5/4/2017 1:12pm
A $20 gift card in the B class is worth a heck (Dry ) of a lot more than a $200 gift card in the C class!!!
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5/4/2017 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2017 2:37pm
TJMX947 wrote:
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C &...
Hmmmm....If memory serves me correctly it seems like a promoter in 2005 was giving away cash and big prizes for amateur races. I think C & D riders had the opportunity to win like a diesel truck or something. Adam Chatfield raced the C class (under someone else's name). He fell, got up and blistered everyone and won the truck. After the dust settled the truth came out and the truck was then given to the second place finisher, a true C rider. Pretty crazy. I don't see this going over too well.
lostboy819 wrote:
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won "...
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.
moscrop940 wrote:
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel. What I could never figure out is why...
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel.

What I could never figure out is why the chose the C class for that event....mid 2000's were the epitome of sand bagging in the novice class, and the prizes they were giving out we're bound to draw some shady dealings.

If I remember correctly, grand prize was a brand new F-250, and then there were 4 brand new 250fs for finishing 2nd-5th (2nd place got their pick of any bike, 3rd/4th/5th picked what was left in the order of their finish)

Could have been a really cool event had they but more thought into it...can't imagine the turnout they would have began to have had they chosen a different class for the inaugural event and the series would have continued.

Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and the ended up with about only 70 entries so they cancelled the next race after losing their ass. Talk about under estimating your target market.
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lostboy819 wrote:
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won "...
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.
moscrop940 wrote:
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel. What I could never figure out is why...
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel.

What I could never figure out is why the chose the C class for that event....mid 2000's were the epitome of sand bagging in the novice class, and the prizes they were giving out we're bound to draw some shady dealings.

If I remember correctly, grand prize was a brand new F-250, and then there were 4 brand new 250fs for finishing 2nd-5th (2nd place got their pick of any bike, 3rd/4th/5th picked what was left in the order of their finish)

Could have been a really cool event had they but more thought into it...can't imagine the turnout they would have began to have had they chosen a different class for the inaugural event and the series would have continued.

lostboy819 wrote:
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and...
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and the ended up with about only 70 entries so they cancelled the next race after losing their ass. Talk about under estimating your target market.
Ahhhh that's the name of the group that put it on.

I wonder if they tried something like that again what the turn out would be...with social media being what it is, I figure it would get hyped up pretty damn well.

Looking back though, that event really shines a light on just how much money was being thrown around in the sport in the mid 2000's....a fuggin C class race had a grand prize of a 50k truck, and 30k in new bikes for the top 5....absolutely insane
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If you receive money in any amateur class you can be bumped to A if someone was to protest at another race. I know this doesn't pretain to a lot, but if your a quick B or C rider trying to do some of the nationals I'd be careful. I know contingency is different and it's ok, but the cash deal can get a few in trouble.
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I think I saw some info on this and the amatuer classes were by cc's.
50 open
65open
85open
125open
250 2 stroke open
250 4 stroke open
450 4 stroke open
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5/4/2017 7:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2017 7:16pm
lostboy819 wrote:
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won "...
It wasn't Adam Chatfield it was some semi pro guy named Alex Snow from England who was friends of the Chatfields that came over "won " the truck. the real winner eventually got it after it had some miles on it.
moscrop940 wrote:
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel. What I could never figure out is why...
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel.

What I could never figure out is why the chose the C class for that event....mid 2000's were the epitome of sand bagging in the novice class, and the prizes they were giving out we're bound to draw some shady dealings.

If I remember correctly, grand prize was a brand new F-250, and then there were 4 brand new 250fs for finishing 2nd-5th (2nd place got their pick of any bike, 3rd/4th/5th picked what was left in the order of their finish)

Could have been a really cool event had they but more thought into it...can't imagine the turnout they would have began to have had they chosen a different class for the inaugural event and the series would have continued.

lostboy819 wrote:
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and...
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and the ended up with about only 70 entries so they cancelled the next race after losing their ass. Talk about under estimating your target market.
I brought this up not too long ago in an unrelated thread. We pitted next to Bussey at Ponca that same year, he had the truck there.
Interestingly, he had Tourettes. It would completely stop when he was racing.

http://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/Tourettes-on-a-plane,1306997
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A 2 lap race? Seriously??
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ga_pike wrote:
A 2 lap race? Seriously??
The two lap race will be combined on two of the tracks on the property. Lap times are close to 3 minutes...
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SCmx wrote:
I think I saw some info on this and the amatuer classes were by cc's. 50 open 65open 85open 125open 250 2 stroke open 250 4...
I think I saw some info on this and the amatuer classes were by cc's.
50 open
65open
85open
125open
250 2 stroke open
250 4 stroke open
450 4 stroke open
The drag racing part of the program is by cc's...
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Mx286 wrote:
If you receive money in any amateur class you can be bumped to A if someone was to protest at another race. I know this doesn't...
If you receive money in any amateur class you can be bumped to A if someone was to protest at another race. I know this doesn't pretain to a lot, but if your a quick B or C rider trying to do some of the nationals I'd be careful. I know contingency is different and it's ok, but the cash deal can get a few in trouble.
This event has already been cleared by the AMA. Amateurs receive gift cards all the time for contingencies and it does not interfere with their amateur status. If amateur's receive cash, they can no longer compete in an amateur class.
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Sounds good, Larry. Only issue is that since we now run 48 bazillion classes on race day, each class only has 5 riders in it.:dry: Kinda...
Sounds good, Larry. Only issue is that since we now run 48 bazillion classes on race day, each class only has 5 riders in it.Dry Kinda dilutes the payback on entry fees.

Now if we were running a Mini, 100, 125, 175, 250, and Open class this would be awesome. The gates would be full. And everyone could get more than 3 laps for a second moto. And still be home by 5 PM. But that doesn't fit the homeschooled, Loretta chasing, gonna be a millionaire, narrative of today's participation trophy heroes who are overly concerned about "pointing out" of whatever class they're sandbagging so they can qualify.

Wait, did you say $40 for a 2 lap moto? Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
The race looks to be held on the Main Track combined with the River Track. Lap times are close to 3 minutes on that layout.

Don't know if you have ever ridden on that layout, but its an amazing layout!
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RyanD797 wrote:
am·a·teur ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/ noun 1.a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis. synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson; adjective 1.engaging or engaged...
am·a·teur
ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/
noun
1.a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson;

adjective
1.engaging or engaged in without payment; nonprofessional.
"an amateur archaeologist"
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, lay; dilettante
"an amateur sportsman"
Receiving cash for an event will disqualify a rider from racing an amateur class. However, gift cards are legal and not considered cash.
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RyanD797 wrote:
am·a·teur ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/ noun 1.a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis. synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson; adjective 1.engaging or engaged...
am·a·teur
ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/
noun
1.a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson;

adjective
1.engaging or engaged in without payment; nonprofessional.
"an amateur archaeologist"
synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, lay; dilettante
"an amateur sportsman"
Zoom wrote:
Receiving cash for an event will disqualify a rider from racing an amateur class. However, gift cards are legal and not considered cash.
the title to this thread says cash, not gift cards. Maybe it should be changed.....
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moscrop940 wrote:
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel. What I could never figure out is why...
It was a hell of a race, Nick Bussey ended up getting 2nd by 1/4 of a wheel.

What I could never figure out is why the chose the C class for that event....mid 2000's were the epitome of sand bagging in the novice class, and the prizes they were giving out we're bound to draw some shady dealings.

If I remember correctly, grand prize was a brand new F-250, and then there were 4 brand new 250fs for finishing 2nd-5th (2nd place got their pick of any bike, 3rd/4th/5th picked what was left in the order of their finish)

Could have been a really cool event had they but more thought into it...can't imagine the turnout they would have began to have had they chosen a different class for the inaugural event and the series would have continued.

lostboy819 wrote:
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and...
Attack MX was thinking they could get about a thousand entries if they had the big prizes and the entry fee was $250 per class and the ended up with about only 70 entries so they cancelled the next race after losing their ass. Talk about under estimating your target market.
kzizok wrote:
I brought this up not too long ago in an unrelated thread. We pitted next to Bussey at Ponca that same year, he had the truck...
I brought this up not too long ago in an unrelated thread. We pitted next to Bussey at Ponca that same year, he had the truck there.
Interestingly, he had Tourettes. It would completely stop when he was racing.

http://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/Tourettes-on-a-plane,1306997
It's embarrassing to talk about but at this time I was a 21 year old D rider. I had raced prior to 2005 but I was on a 125 and I sucked royally. In 2005 I got a new YZ250F and things just started clicking for me and I moved up at the end of the season (when I started catching vets and C riders off stagger starts!)

Anyhoo I feel like they were going to have those big prizes for the beginner class at one of the rounds after the initial race and I vividly remember thinking "man I hope this doesn't get shut down after the first round" because I thought I could get a top 5 and score one of the bikes.

Sandbagging was alive and well in North Carolina during the mid 2000s. It was all about the C class dream of getting that Loretta's bib!
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ga_pike wrote:
A 2 lap race? Seriously??
Zoom wrote:
The two lap race will be combined on two of the tracks on the property. Lap times are close to 3 minutes...
So a 6 minute race. Yay.

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