Can't believe this hasn't been discussed...

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Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 4:12pm
One of the main reasons an entry level 125 class hasn't been brought to the AMA nationals is time constraints. It seems as though they'll be able to "find" time for a legends race this weekend, so undoubtedly I'm confused.
I do think the legend's race will be exciting and a hit, but I myself would rather see a 6-12 round entry level 125 class.
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Legends equals one short moto. I assume what you're talking about is two regular motos.
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I thought they were getting 2 15-20 minute motos depending upon available time. I misunderstood. I'd still enjoy seeing an entry level class in the pro ranks EK298.
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I'd rather see a vintage race with legends/past pro racers then a 125cc race with 10 riders. But that's just me...
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Well, keep in mind several things. As much as I am not a big fan of how Pro motocross is ran it is already a very full day of Pro racing. Now throw in a 125 class? A one time Legends race is ok and could be cool. But adding another class and mostly of young non pro riders is not a good idea. I personally do not think any rider should be Pro until they turn 18 and have graduated High School.

Adding another class was tried with the women and failed. If you add the 125 then the women are going to be pissed although the women should just try to ride the classes with the guys to be honest. I could see a one time 125 race but not a full series.

How about this: at a few stops on the circuit they have some of these one off races. At Glen Helen or Hangtown they have the Legends race, then at Red Bud they have the women's race, and at another track they have the 125cc race? Then all those people can say they got their chance. The qualifying would be the day before on press day and the race would be after Pro practice but before the LCQ. Just a thought.

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mxracer816 wrote:
One of the main reasons an entry level 125 class hasn't been brought to the AMA nationals is time constraints. It seems as though they'll be...
One of the main reasons an entry level 125 class hasn't been brought to the AMA nationals is time constraints. It seems as though they'll be able to "find" time for a legends race this weekend, so undoubtedly I'm confused.
I do think the legend's race will be exciting and a hit, but I myself would rather see a 6-12 round entry level 125 class.
Entry level Class In The Pro Ranks... Who's going to pay them?... The privateers running the 250 & 450 class
now could make more money pushing shopping carts @ Walmart..
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8/20/2015 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 2:31pm
I'd much rather see a 4-8 round 250 nonsupport class for privateers, up and coming amateurs, and local pros where they could stretch their legs, learn the tracks, pro format, timed qualifying. No one who has ever qualified for a national or put a 2 year rule on it. The difficulty of the tracks, the timed qualifying, the intensity, the lack of support. Itd be a great feeder system rather then the Lorettas or amateur national deals where the tracks arent anything like the big leagues. It let more guys race and turn the 250/450 classes into more a factory backed class with teams. We have 90 riders at the popular nationals in each class, thats 180 riders trying to qualify, 80 make the motos. its $300+ per entry, thats 100 riders that go home after 2 15 min practice sessions. thats $30,000 from guys that are keeping the sport alive. even a consolation, 1 moto format, 15+1 min moto for the local heros that bleed to sport to show off in front of their home town crowds. It doesn't have to be televised but theres Hundreds of spectators at the races that would love nothing more then to see their top local Pro card holding rider that just loaded up the van and drove to the race and qualified 50th, out there behind the gate and racing at their home national. or the Kid who just got 8th at Lorettas in the A class that didnt get a ride but has the skills and wants to display what hes got to teams, maybe someone gets hurt and they see him winning the Non-support class and he gets a fill in ride. the GPs have the EMX class and we have NOTHING to feed our series.
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125 6 rounds
250 (yes, 250cc 2 and 4 stroke) 12 rounds
Open 6 rounds

Winning....
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I can easily believe that this hasn't been discussed.
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Where are guys supposed to get the support to race a 6 round non-supported series? Takes money for 6 weeks of travel, time away from work (for parents too) and a new/different bike.
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So everyone here thinks it's feasible for a privateer with only moderate support to build a "competitive" 250f? Nevermind the travel and other costs. Every track I attend has a payback of at least 200%. Don't give me shit about money to make it happen. If the promoters wanted it to happen it could. Guys would show up and race for entry fee paybacks alone. 200x40=8000 that divies up pretty nicely over say 12 people, and they would be making a name for themselves to maybe get a supported ride in the 250f class with machinery that is capable of competing. Guess I'm on my own on this one, sorry to waste you guy's time.
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I would love to see a 125 class
Imo just make it 125A
Class with no age limit
And id say no ponts just a trophy and ca$h at each round
So all the fast locals in each area will come race it
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At this point both SX and MX are all about the cash. Both sports are now just products to marketed and sold to the highest bidder. There will be no changes to the race format, no engine displacement changes, or race additions (like the 125's) in the interests of making the sport better for the fans, unless it brought value to the product of dirt bike racing with a high roi.

So as it sits now money talks and everything else walks. Unfortunately even a riders union.
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GuyB wrote:
Legends equals one short moto. I assume what you're talking about is two regular motos.
Why not 1 moto? it's a support class anyway...doesn't even have to be part of the tv broadcast...just make it a noon moto...?

is it even conceivable?
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GuyB wrote:
Legends equals one short moto. I assume what you're talking about is two regular motos.
Why not 1 moto? it's a support class anyway...doesn't even have to be part of the tv broadcast...just make it a noon moto...? is it even...
Why not 1 moto? it's a support class anyway...doesn't even have to be part of the tv broadcast...just make it a noon moto...?

is it even conceivable?
It is, but undoubtedly no one that has enough influence to make it happen cares.
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newmann wrote:
125 6 rounds
250 (yes, 250cc 2 and 4 stroke) 12 rounds
Open 6 rounds

Winning....
What're you allowing in your "Open" class?

(Hint, 300cc 2T?)
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newmann wrote:
125 6 rounds
250 (yes, 250cc 2 and 4 stroke) 12 rounds
Open 6 rounds

Winning....
TeamGreen wrote:
What're you allowing in your "Open" class?

(Hint, 300cc 2T?)
Open Bitch, I said Open.Smile No homo either, just production rule.
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I believe this has been discussed more than once Bro. Like Bears, and Bench Press.
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I didn't mean this subject, just the fact that they can make time for a legends race but not something that could possibly help the sport, and appeal to a growing number of fans...BRO.
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you run a 125 support class and you will be turning people away because too many entries..
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Couldn't we just get the races over quicker , so we can all get together for hookers and blow afterwords? That seems like more fun.
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8/20/2015 7:23pm Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 7:25pm
Personally i like the format of the saturday program as it is now. Practice and the motos are nonstop action with jus a brief intermission. Its good for the spectaror and excellent for the tv audience.

Fitting in another 2 practice sessions and 2 motos on Saturdays is not good especially when weather becomes a problem. I wouldnt want kids to be driving around the country for 1 practice and 1 moto on saturday. Its just not enough track time for the effort.

I think a 125A class East/West series that is a mix of National amateur days and big Amateur events with perhaps a 3 moto format at each event could be a better way to go. Something like the wmx series is right now. That way the factories wouldnt get Saturday exposure and be tempted to sandbag the class and it could help in development of top talent in racing an actual series so guys like Aldredge and Hampshire and Smith could have an easier transition. It would also give non-factory supported amateurs a fighting chance. It would be prestigious but not as much as another Saturday national class.

I also think the pros should be 250 (2t/4t) and Open (production rule applies).
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Who's going to race this exhibition class?
Who is going to watch this exhibition race?
Will this exhibition race be broadcast?
What kind of exposure would an exhibition class and the racers get?
Will this add value $$$ to the sport/industry?
Where will this $$$ come from? Ticket sales?
What resources are needed to support an exhibition class/series?
Would the exhibition racers receive compensation? In what form?
Is there any age/skill/career limitations put on who can compete in this exhibition class?
How would this impact amateur racing?
Who will benefit by having an exhibition class?

What is the ultimate payoff and would this be a positive for the whole of MX racing?

Answer these question and then ask yourselves if this is a sustainable idea.

As much as I would LOVE to hear a full gate of 2-strokes rip around RedBud on National weekend....I have a hard time believing anyone outside of about 300 Vital posters would even care enough to tune in.
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Moto810 wrote:
Well, keep in mind several things. As much as I am not a big fan of how Pro motocross is ran it is already a very...
Well, keep in mind several things. As much as I am not a big fan of how Pro motocross is ran it is already a very full day of Pro racing. Now throw in a 125 class? A one time Legends race is ok and could be cool. But adding another class and mostly of young non pro riders is not a good idea. I personally do not think any rider should be Pro until they turn 18 and have graduated High School.

Adding another class was tried with the women and failed. If you add the 125 then the women are going to be pissed although the women should just try to ride the classes with the guys to be honest. I could see a one time 125 race but not a full series.

How about this: at a few stops on the circuit they have some of these one off races. At Glen Helen or Hangtown they have the Legends race, then at Red Bud they have the women's race, and at another track they have the 125cc race? Then all those people can say they got their chance. The qualifying would be the day before on press day and the race would be after Pro practice but before the LCQ. Just a thought.
I agree with you 100% on the pro age being 18 and a minimum of a GED.
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I have an idea..

Nearly every race now has am day practice or race on friday and Sunday. Have a "pro" 125 class that practices Friday (and races their first Moto if possible) and then have them do one 10 minute practice Saturday and one 15 minute Moto sometime during the day where ever they can squeeze it in. I know time is the main reason why this doesn't happen, but they can find 30 minutes..


It's complete bs we don't have ANY real feeder system (amateur nationals do a pretty shitty job IMO) while youth stream has like 4 secondary classes and 2 real feeder classes (emx 125 and emx 250).
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How bout this, at the end of the nationals and Grand Prix races have a 6 race 125 national championship and woman's national championship combined on the same day, not together clearly, kinda like the old trans-AMA series, maybe at ex-national tracks like southwick or Binghamton, it will bring some prestige back to woman's motocross, and keep the 125 class going like in Europe, you might even get some European riders to come over and participate, men and women I think it might work
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8/21/2015 7:23am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2015 7:24am
Uncle Tony wrote:
How bout this, at the end of the nationals and Grand Prix races have a 6 race 125 national championship and woman's national championship combined on...
How bout this, at the end of the nationals and Grand Prix races have a 6 race 125 national championship and woman's national championship combined on the same day, not together clearly, kinda like the old trans-AMA series, maybe at ex-national tracks like southwick or Binghamton, it will bring some prestige back to woman's motocross, and keep the 125 class going like in Europe, you might even get some European riders to come over and participate, men and women I think it might work
This could work
it just needs somebody super wealthy to
want it to happen and back it
if someone put up a couple mil
im sure it would come together nicely
do donald trump and the walmart family
like MX ??
Smile
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Putting together any race series is exspensive, everyone only sees what comes in (as far as money) but never see what goes out, it would be much less then the Nationals as its only a 6 race series, and of course the payouts would be less as it's not the big show, and it would have to be in conjunction with MXsports
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Putting together any race series is exspensive, everyone only sees what comes in (as far as money) but never see what goes out, it would be...
Putting together any race series is exspensive, everyone only sees what comes in (as far as money) but never see what goes out, it would be much less then the Nationals as its only a 6 race series, and of course the payouts would be less as it's not the big show, and it would have to be in conjunction with MXsports
Yes but to get every one on board
You would need to make pot
Unusually Large
Wich would be great any way and much deserved
Think Monster cup
But for a 6 race outdoor series
That would be amazing
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Thanks man, but sadly this will die, just think, open to factory teams, Yamaha, KTM, husqvarna, TM,pro circuit, and some of the girls on their factory 4 stokes, you would get some small satellite teams again as 125's are much cheaper to run, one day if I hit power ball

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