Combining both 250 COASTS for a FIM 250 World Supercross Title?

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Edited Date/Time 12/29/2018 9:42am
Of all the changes they try to make in Supercross, this seems to be the easiest way to get more people to watch the 250 class more serisously.
-World Title up for grabs
-Adds more racers capable of winning races
-Gives the guys staying in the class for a decade too long a chance at a world title
-No more East/West confusion to the people watching. Because every week they have to talk to the spectators like they've never heard of Supercross...So dumb.
-Better, tougher racing
-Make it 20 Mins each Main as well

Thoughts?

Should the FIM/AMA combine 250 East/West Coasts into 1 FIM 250 World Supercross Title?

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-MAVERICK- 12/28/2018 1:49pm
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It would eliminate a lot of rides. Not exactly a good thing.
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ATKpilot99 12/28/2018 2:00pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It would eliminate a lot of rides. Not exactly a good thing.
It would be the best of the best. They could still have regional 250f mains with the lower daytime qualifiers
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Ray_MXS 12/28/2018 2:00pm
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What Maverick said and also it ruins a lot of guys doing the privateer thing.

I don't get why the "World title" would matter anyway. It's still the same series. And it's nothing "World" about it when it's run in just one or two countries. And remove the world title from 450s too, it's really dumb. Also that might make the FIM peace out so USADA can handle the drug tests etc instead of those useless WADA folks.
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theprizefighter 12/28/2018 2:28pm
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I think it’s a good idea because it would give the title more clout. They could still keep the regional titles, and the riders that were only able to ride one coast or the other could still get exposure from their rides. I’ve always thought combining the two is a great idea.
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theprizefighter wrote:
I think it’s a good idea because it would give the title more clout. They could still keep the regional titles, and the riders that were...
I think it’s a good idea because it would give the title more clout. They could still keep the regional titles, and the riders that were only able to ride one coast or the other could still get exposure from their rides. I’ve always thought combining the two is a great idea.
Exactly. All the 250 qualifying could happen during the day and just have the mains at night if time is an issue also.
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Frank Tuesday 12/28/2018 2:44pm
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If anything, they should lower the status of 250 relative to 450. Crazy that a feeder (yet still professional) class gets almost as much press as the premier class.
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blockhead17 12/28/2018 2:47pm
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Frank Tuesday wrote:
If anything, they should lower the status of 250 relative to 450. Crazy that a feeder (yet still professional) class gets almost as much press as...
If anything, they should lower the status of 250 relative to 450. Crazy that a feeder (yet still professional) class gets almost as much press as the premier class.
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devindavisphoto 12/28/2018 2:48pm
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I've been into the idea of a regional series for rookies and riders who can't compete in the entire series, then have a factory supported 250 class, then the 450 class. Comparable to the GPs with MXGP, MX2, and EMX250.

It makes sense, SX250 would be for teams like Traders, JMC, RockRiver, IBCorp (when they existed), etc.

SX2 is Geico, TLD, Star, PC, Husqvarna, etc.

SX1 is the premier class.
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nrosso391 12/28/2018 2:54pm
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Ray_MXS wrote:
What Maverick said and also it ruins a lot of guys doing the privateer thing. I don't get why the "World title" would matter anyway. It's...
What Maverick said and also it ruins a lot of guys doing the privateer thing.

I don't get why the "World title" would matter anyway. It's still the same series. And it's nothing "World" about it when it's run in just one or two countries. And remove the world title from 450s too, it's really dumb. Also that might make the FIM peace out so USADA can handle the drug tests etc instead of those useless WADA folks.
Can you name another Supercross series that DOES go to more that one country in a series? I can't think of one.. Therefore, FIM WORLD SUPERCROSS
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nrosso391 12/28/2018 2:55pm
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I've been into the idea of a regional series for rookies and riders who can't compete in the entire series, then have a factory supported 250...
I've been into the idea of a regional series for rookies and riders who can't compete in the entire series, then have a factory supported 250 class, then the 450 class. Comparable to the GPs with MXGP, MX2, and EMX250.

It makes sense, SX250 would be for teams like Traders, JMC, RockRiver, IBCorp (when they existed), etc.

SX2 is Geico, TLD, Star, PC, Husqvarna, etc.

SX1 is the premier class.
I like that! SX1, SX2 and SX3 can remain 250 regional East and West.
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OTG42 12/28/2018 3:04pm
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Make the regional series a stock class so privateers can more easily afford it. Have a premiere 250 class that runs the entire series with the current bike rules/regulations.
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devindavisphoto 12/28/2018 3:24pm
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OTG42 wrote:
Make the regional series a stock class so privateers can more easily afford it. Have a premiere 250 class that runs the entire series with the...
Make the regional series a stock class so privateers can more easily afford it. Have a premiere 250 class that runs the entire series with the current bike rules/regulations.
Would stock suspension be required? If so, sheesh I'm guessing you've never ridden an SX track before.
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OTG42 wrote:
Make the regional series a stock class so privateers can more easily afford it. Have a premiere 250 class that runs the entire series with the...
Make the regional series a stock class so privateers can more easily afford it. Have a premiere 250 class that runs the entire series with the current bike rules/regulations.
Because no one would EVER cheat.......
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What if they did both classes combined as the final 250 main of the night.

Still have the separate riders on different coasts (or separated somehow), except everyone can race each race. Qualifiers during the day like they used to do for E/W Shootout, and then during the night show have a 250SX East Main and 250SX West Main, with the top 11 from each going to the final.

Points from the final add up at every round to determine overall champion. For regional series, the Mains they run to qualify for the combined main only give points to riders from one of the series, depending on which round it is (Cali rounds West guys receive points, East guys are just riding to qualify for world championship race).
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I've been into the idea of a regional series for rookies and riders who can't compete in the entire series, then have a factory supported 250...
I've been into the idea of a regional series for rookies and riders who can't compete in the entire series, then have a factory supported 250 class, then the 450 class. Comparable to the GPs with MXGP, MX2, and EMX250.

It makes sense, SX250 would be for teams like Traders, JMC, RockRiver, IBCorp (when they existed), etc.

SX2 is Geico, TLD, Star, PC, Husqvarna, etc.

SX1 is the premier class.
I like this idea more than supercross futures.

Id say split it into 4 coasts
rookies must gain enough points to advance to SX2
After enough points can immediately move to SX2 (could be mid season)
Can point out of the class (no defending champions either)
Top 5 from each region race Vegas for championship
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SPYGUY 12/28/2018 4:33pm
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No one would be in favor of having separate 450 East and West titles. Why should 250's be any different?

I'm in favor in having more talent out on the track at one time as opposed to less.
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Denn700 12/28/2018 4:37pm
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250 Rookie class west coast
2 years in class. If you have won a AMA MX or MXGP title and have never raced SX then you get 1 year.
250 East Everyone else who has more than 2 years
450 class Make it hard to get in to this class. Former champions of MXGP, AMA Motocross, 250 east or west champions. If the numbers are low open it up to finishing top 3 in one of those series.
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zookrider62! 12/28/2018 4:42pm
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SPYGUY wrote:
No one would be in favor of having separate 450 East and West titles. Why should 250's be any different? I'm in favor in having more...
No one would be in favor of having separate 450 East and West titles. Why should 250's be any different?

I'm in favor in having more talent out on the track at one time as opposed to less.
One is supposed to be a developmental class. If 250 wasnt regionalized why even have it? Youre supposed to be getting your feet wet, not trying to survive 17 rounds
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SPYGUY 12/28/2018 5:35pm
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SPYGUY wrote:
No one would be in favor of having separate 450 East and West titles. Why should 250's be any different? I'm in favor in having more...
No one would be in favor of having separate 450 East and West titles. Why should 250's be any different?

I'm in favor in having more talent out on the track at one time as opposed to less.
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One is supposed to be a developmental class. If 250 wasnt regionalized why even have it? Youre supposed to be getting your feet wet, not trying...
One is supposed to be a developmental class. If 250 wasnt regionalized why even have it? Youre supposed to be getting your feet wet, not trying to survive 17 rounds
What better way to develop as a rider and gain more experience than to race more races?

As far as why even have the class if it isn't "regionalized"...same reason we have the 250 series for outdoors.

Listen, I get all of the reasons that the series is split into regions, but if given a choice to watch a regional 250 SX race or a combined East/West shootout...er....showdown..., I'd pick the showdown every time.
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Question 12/28/2018 5:55pm
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Why not adding a few more east west shoot outs and awarding a world champ, but why changing the east west spparate format that works so well* ?

Following a 250 championship through 18 rounds, no thanks !!!!!!


Let us look at the 450 class : it gets boring 50%+ of the time as the season progresses with a champion crowned a few rounds earlier. And very often, from round 7-12, people are more interested in the outcome of the 250 championships. So really a false good idea to change the 250 formats.

* by "so well", i mean what may be needed is a more affordable series (like other mentioned, cheaper fuel, production tyre, and i would say production suspensions too), because i think it is almost impossible for a privateer to be really noticed during the show, and so people and families may feel the sport is not accessible for local joes (who fund the sport).
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BR8ES 12/28/2018 5:57pm
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250s are already expensive enough, a full series would be a huge undertaking. Combining the coasts makes it a World Title because?? A couple non-US riders?
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motogrady 12/28/2018 6:13pm
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Go back to what is was supposed to be. A feeder class. The Lites Class.
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motogrady 12/28/2018 6:24pm
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Keep it as is. Just make it even more friendly to the young guys coming up. Maybe limit the number of motors like motogp does. Get real with pointing guys out, maybe limit age to 24 years old. Then send them up to The Premier Class. The 450 Class.
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bama205 12/28/2018 7:34pm
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Imagine how much better and more competitive the class would be if there was no 450 class?

Remember townley, RV, canard, Barcia Pourcell, J-Law, Josh Grant etc on 250s?
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blockhead17 12/28/2018 7:44pm
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bama205 wrote:
Imagine how much better and more competitive the class would be if there was no 450 class? Remember townley, RV, canard, Barcia Pourcell, J-Law, Josh Grant...
Imagine how much better and more competitive the class would be if there was no 450 class?

Remember townley, RV, canard, Barcia Pourcell, J-Law, Josh Grant etc on 250s?
Remember MC, RC, JS, CR, RV, RD?
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kaptkaos 12/28/2018 8:03pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It would eliminate a lot of rides. Not exactly a good thing.
I think its a good thing to eliminate "Factory"250 rides. Spend that money on more 450 Factory rides, make 250 a stock class, run it all year long, put salary limits on it and make the rules force you to point out fairly and consistently. It pains me to see Factory 250 riders making a ton of money and having a bunch of 450 guys sitting around without rides. In fact, lets take it one step further...

250 is 17 rounds, stock bikes, and salary caps, and also the only class privateers are allowed. No privateers allowed in 450. Do you see walkons playing alongside Tom Brady?
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foreman52 12/28/2018 8:13pm
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Horrible idea. Can’t keep the majority of the “best of the best” and most experienced 450 riders for all 17 rounds. Imagine throwing in a bunch of horny “inexperienced” SX riders for that many rounds. Not to mention that with the East and the West this gives the opportunity for 20 riders to compete per coast. One class and teams would be eliminating half their lites riders.

I really do think they need to bring an amateur class like they do at Monster Cup. Could be a great filler between all the non-sense BS they fill in between races.
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Ray_MXS 12/28/2018 11:00pm
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nrosso391 wrote:
Can you name another Supercross series that DOES go to more that one country in a series? I can't think of one.. Therefore, FIM WORLD SUPERCROSS
So every little obscure sport that only exists in one country should be called "World" Championship?

With your logic, why couldn't the French supercross championship just as well be called "World"? Or the German series?

What difference does it make anyway? Just call it what it is, an American championship.
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Boomslang 12/28/2018 11:18pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It would eliminate a lot of rides. Not exactly a good thing.
Exactly!
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Bigshow 12/28/2018 11:22pm
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This has bugged me since the 80's. 125/250 SX title has never carried the same prestige as the 125/250 MX title. I don't really care if you make the 250SX 1 series or not. But if 250SX is 2 class's (east/west) then split the 250MX split (north/south?) also. Both titles should be equal. What ever rules effect 250SX effect 250MX.
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