Buying bike in Canda?

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2/14/2018 9:03 AM

Travelling to visit some family near Buffalo, NY soon. Mulling the idea of buying a new 450 in NY or perhaps Canada and shipping back home. Has anyone purchased in Canada and brought back to the US? Most info online is about street bikes and registration/etc. Can't find anything on non-streetable bikes and don't want to fool around at the border if it's going to be a nightmare.

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2/14/2018 9:22 AM

Theres some killer deals around the greater toronto area that thinking about it in USD dollars would be pennies lol shipping and getting it across the board i am not sure tho

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2/14/2018 9:26 AM

Pretty much the same thing street or dirt when importing. You will still have to declare it and fill out the import docs and then pay state taxes aka sales tax at the time of registration. I don't know about NY but here in WA a bike without a title is worth half and you can't get orv tags to ride on public lands. Private lands no issue but most of our orv spots are on public land here.

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2/14/2018 9:38 AM

SmokinJoe439 wrote:

Pretty much the same thing street or dirt when importing. You will still have to declare it and fill out the import docs and then pay state taxes aka sales tax at the time of registration. I don't know about NY but here in WA a bike without a title is worth half and you can't get orv tags to ride on public lands. Private lands no issue but most of our orv spots are on public land here.

I live in Texas and don't have a need to register it, so an MCO would be good enough for me. So if I can get across border without problem, and ship without problem it may be worth the trouble.

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2/14/2018 9:48 AM

Gotta love NAFTA. Bought several bikes from Canada. Warranty is the only major issue on stuff. But with a MX bike most warranty is 30/30. Meaning 30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first. So if the deal is right, buy it. We always had a Canadian bring it over the border for us to Seattle from Vancouver BC. They didn't pay duty unless they were coming back home with something. Not sure how the shipping works but I don't see why it would be a problem either.

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2/14/2018 12:33 PM

I live in central NY, only a few hours from ottawa. With the exchange rate it was going to be something silly like 6k for a brand new 450. If i drove 4 hours to ohio, it was 6800 (no sales tax, cash deal, out of state).

Dealer in ottawa said i'd have to pay the GST which was like 10% or something, and that i'd get it back when coming into the US. Then i'd have to declare it obviously to get that back, so i'd end up paying state tax. It would of saved me about 200 bucks. I decided it wasnt worth the hassle. Plus its not contingency eligible in the US if its purchased in canada, even if you're a canadian resident living in canada and decide to come across the border to the US to race for a weekend. I've made that 200$ over on contingency so it for sure wasnt worth it.

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2/14/2018 3:13 PM

Assuming a $1.25 exchange rate, a $6500 bike will cost you $5200. You pay the 13% sales tax at the dealer, but claim it back at the Canadian border, at the duty free store. Take in your receipt, they'll refund you, at least on small purchases. Not sure what the limit is on the refund, as far as cash goes. Take your bill of sale into CBP on the US side, and deal with the tax issue there. Not sure if you actually pay a federal tax on the bike, only know a guy from Michigan who has done this, so don't know if it was Mi. state tax he paid, or federal.

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2/14/2018 3:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/14/2018 3:42 PM

scooter5002 wrote:

Assuming a $1.25 exchange rate, a $6500 bike will cost you $5200. You pay the 13% sales tax at the dealer, but claim it back at the Canadian border, at the duty free store. Take in your receipt, they'll refund you, at least on small purchases. Not sure what the limit is on the refund, as far as cash goes. Take your bill of sale into CBP on the US side, and deal with the tax issue there. Not sure if you actually pay a federal tax on the bike, only know a guy from Michigan who has done this, so don't know if it was Mi. state tax he paid, or federal.

Where in Canada are you finding new 450’s for $6500 CAD?

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2/14/2018 3:48 PM

Was only picking a number, to give the OP a guideline to go buy. I do know where there is a '16 RMZ for $6500, that's the only one that sticks in my head. Basically, because I had entertained the idea of buying it.

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2/14/2018 3:55 PM

I don’t know how it works, but when used bikes come to Canada, there are a lot of bikes stored in garages on the US side of the border for a couple of days for the paperwork to go through. You may want to check on how that works.

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2/14/2018 5:06 PM

Tear the bike waaaaaaaaay down and bring it home in MANY PARTS.

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2/14/2018 5:54 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Tear the bike waaaaaaaaay down and bring it home in MANY PARTS.

Crossed my mind. Saw that done in a Dirt Rider article in the 90s.

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2/14/2018 7:31 PM

Or throw some dirt on it and bring it back across.

I knew a guy who would take his bike and a buddy into Canada, buy the new bike and throw some dirt on it, then roll back across the boarder with 2 dudes and 2 bikes..

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Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

2/14/2018 8:30 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/14/2018 8:32 PM

I'm going through the process of trying to buy a TM from Cam on here and it's been a big pain in the ass! Here's my story from the last few weeks. (He's in BC and I'm in WA State)

Called border and asked what was needed. I was told a bill of sale, copy of his registration, and proof the bike was EPA certified. I asked how I could prove that and the officer told me there should be a sticker on the airbox or somewhere on the bike. I said there's no EPA stickers on Motocross bikes. So I called another border station and talked to a vehicle import specialist. I argued that Closed Course Competition Only MX bikes are exempt. He told me that the exemption is still an EPA certification and because of the EPA regulations that's why they don't make 2 strokes any more......as much as I wanted to, I didn't argue with him.

So I called the US TM Importer and asked how they get their bikes around the EPA and explained what I was trying to do. He said the EPA exemption they have is only for US Vin numbers and that even though the bikes are exactly the same a Canadian bike would have a different Vin that would not register for the exemption. This seemed bogus though, because that would mean you couldn't ever bring a YZ or KTM or anything from Canada into the US?

I finally got the actual EPA form from the first border officer. There is an exemption that they make for Competition only machines...but you need an approval letter from the EPA. I've been waiting on replies and working on that this week. The EPA wants a list of my race schedule and a copy of my racing license and I was told that I would only be allowed to use the bike at these events (if I even get approval).

It's ridiculous.

I was told that I would only have to pay the 2.5% duty and no other tax if I didn't need to license it...which I always try to avoid on a dirt bikes because I just ride at tracks and if I need orv tags I just use some off one of my bikes I have a title for.

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2/14/2018 8:35 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/14/2018 8:43 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Tear the bike waaaaaaaaay down and bring it home in MANY PARTS.

Jeez wpark89....... Just Go ride one weekend with three bikes empty tool boxes and empty cupboards. Come home with three bikes and the tool boxes and trailer cupboards full. Dirtbike smuggling ring lol. If They ask about the parts in the boxes and cupboards (If they even check you at the border) say: “I race so thats all my spare parts”. They ain’t gonna know shit or even care unless your forehead is soaked with sweat because your actually smuggling cociaine in the exhaust packing.

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2/28/2018 3:25 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Tear the bike waaaaaaaaay down and bring it home in MANY PARTS.

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Jeez wpark89....... Just Go ride one weekend with three bikes empty tool boxes and empty cupboards. Come home with three bikes and the tool boxes and trailer cupboards full. Dirtbike smuggling ring lol. If They ask about the parts in the boxes and cupboards (If they even check you at the border) say: “I race so thats all my spare parts”. They ain’t gonna know shit or even care unless your forehead is soaked with sweat because your actually smuggling cociaine in the exhaust packing.

My forehead is soaked in sweat every time I cross the border, nervous as fuck and I have no idea why. I know I probably already look guilty of something so I can’t help him here, lol.

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2/28/2018 3:27 PM

I have a 17 fc350 with 2.1hrs
I’ll bring it to buffalo ?

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2/28/2018 3:33 PM

1.Make friends with a Canadian racer
2.have them buy the bike for you
3.have them ride the bike once, then bring the bike over the border for you, telling the border guard they are going riding
4.they unload the bike out of their truck and put it in your truck.
5.You drive home with the bike and enjoy the bike.

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2/28/2018 3:35 PM

Must be a pain for the factory rigs to cross the boarder

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2/28/2018 3:37 PM

SmokinJoe439 wrote:

Pretty much the same thing street or dirt when importing. You will still have to declare it and fill out the import docs and then pay state taxes aka sales tax at the time of registration. I don't know about NY but here in WA a bike without a title is worth half and you can't get orv tags to ride on public lands. Private lands no issue but most of our orv spots are on public land here.

erik_94COBRA wrote:

I live in Texas and don't have a need to register it, so an MCO would be good enough for me. So if I can get across border without problem, and ship without problem it may be worth the trouble.

You don't have to go that far, just go out of state, and you have no taxes due with an out of state address. Especially for an ORV. It won't work if you need a loan/lien.

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2/28/2018 5:49 PM

Back in about 2003 or 2004 I ordered an 04 RM250 from motorcyclebrokers.com out of Canada. Bike arrived in a crate via Forward Air with a signed Ohio or Iowa title (can't remember). Managed to get it registered in California. It was sketchy though. Came with an owners manual in English and one in French. Jetting was all F-ed up too. But I saved about $1000.

A few years later I moved to Europe. Tore that RM down and shipped it in boxes so I'd have something to ride. So this bike went from Japan to Canada to California, ha a Midwest title at one point, got ridden/raced in California, and later in Europe. Eventually shipped it back to Cali and sold it to a kid out of Grass Valley.

Not really helpful with regards to OP but thought I'd share anyway. :-)

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2/28/2018 7:51 PM

mx_563 wrote:

Back in about 2003 or 2004 I ordered an 04 RM250 from motorcyclebrokers.com out of Canada. Bike arrived in a crate via Forward Air with a signed Ohio or Iowa title (can't remember). Managed to get it registered in California. It was sketchy though. Came with an owners manual in English and one in French. Jetting was all F-ed up too. But I saved about $1000.

A few years later I moved to Europe. Tore that RM down and shipped it in boxes so I'd have something to ride. So this bike went from Japan to Canada to California, ha a Midwest title at one point, got ridden/raced in California, and later in Europe. Eventually shipped it back to Cali and sold it to a kid out of Grass Valley.

Not really helpful with regards to OP but thought I'd share anyway. :-)

I did the same with an 03 RM250. It was under $4k shipped to me in San Diego. For registration, it just came with a Certificate of Origin. The only bummer was that I was young and misplaced that document. When I went to sell, it cost me in sale price.

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