Bubba Scrub or ??????

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1/20/2019 8:34 PM

1982 Huh, yeah it's possible he's falling but he sure looks like he meant to do that. I've seen pictures claiming JoJo Keller did it first although different. Where does this fit in?
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1/20/2019 8:49 PM

All you poor people who never had the pleasure of watching Magoo ride in person, or better yet have him fly over your head totally pancaked have never got to enjoy pure motocross. God only made one of that man!

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1/20/2019 9:05 PM

I got this photo from a Facebook group from my local riding area which is where it was shot(Mammoth Bar). But it originated from a Magoo page a week ago and the poster claims it's never been seen prior to that post. And guess who's on there arguing with everyone that it's not the same thing as Stewart, here's a hint his name on this board before he was booted multiple times starts with a B and ends with a Lenny. The more things change....

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1/20/2019 9:06 PM

Well to be completely accurate , the scrub itself was started off in BMX. A lot of guys through out the years were some what doing it , but I think James sorta brought it to an extreme that nobody had seen before.

What shocks me ( think about this for a second ) is that I've seen other old photo's of guy's scrubbing the hell out of their bikes , but some how during the 80's , 90's and 2000's ( even MC )....nobody was taking advantage of it.

It's almost like they either forgot about it , or didn't think it was worth the risk? James definitely did NOT invent the scrub , as it was around decades before he was even born , in MX and BMX , but he definitely made it extreme and made it so guy's ride their bikes differently today. My opinion anyways.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

1/20/2019 9:44 PM

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1/20/2019 9:58 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Well to be completely accurate , the scrub itself was started off in BMX. A lot of guys through out the years were some what doing it , but I think James sorta brought it to an extreme that nobody had seen before.

What shocks me ( think about this for a second ) is that I've seen other old photo's of guy's scrubbing the hell out of their bikes , but some how during the 80's , 90's and 2000's ( even MC )....nobody was taking advantage of it.

It's almost like they either forgot about it , or didn't think it was worth the risk? James definitely did NOT invent the scrub , as it was around decades before he was even born , in MX and BMX , but he definitely made it extreme and made it so guy's ride their bikes differently today. My opinion anyways.

I think the Bubba scrub is different than the scrubs prior to his.

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1/20/2019 10:09 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Well to be completely accurate , the scrub itself was started off in BMX. A lot of guys through out the years were some what doing it , but I think James sorta brought it to an extreme that nobody had seen before.

What shocks me ( think about this for a second ) is that I've seen other old photo's of guy's scrubbing the hell out of their bikes , but some how during the 80's , 90's and 2000's ( even MC )....nobody was taking advantage of it.

It's almost like they either forgot about it , or didn't think it was worth the risk? James definitely did NOT invent the scrub , as it was around decades before he was even born , in MX and BMX , but he definitely made it extreme and made it so guy's ride their bikes differently today. My opinion anyways.

T-Fish wrote:

I think the Bubba scrub is different than the scrubs prior to his.

How so? I've asked this before and nobody has given me a logical answer. If it was being done to keep the bike low ( like BMX ) then I'm not sure why James's scrubs would be any different. I get why a certain nationality want to stamp their name on inventing it......but it was being done 20 - 30 years before James's was even born. Not to the extremes James brought to it mind you , but honestly , he seems to be a middle man since guys now days have made it even more extreme ( and dangerous ).

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

1/20/2019 11:34 PM

Another reason I also think JS did it in a time when camera phones, youtube etc hence he was the first guy to have the whole world see it constantly.

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1/21/2019 12:43 AM

Would say he changed the technique from being on top of the bike to almost/sometimes under the bike in mid air, makes a big difference to the difficult and effectiveness of the scrub.

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1/21/2019 2:51 AM

jeffro503 wrote:

Well to be completely accurate , the scrub itself was started off in BMX. A lot of guys through out the years were some what doing it , but I think James sorta brought it to an extreme that nobody had seen before.

What shocks me ( think about this for a second ) is that I've seen other old photo's of guy's scrubbing the hell out of their bikes , but some how during the 80's , 90's and 2000's ( even MC )....nobody was taking advantage of it.

It's almost like they either forgot about it , or didn't think it was worth the risk? James definitely did NOT invent the scrub , as it was around decades before he was even born , in MX and BMX , but he definitely made it extreme and made it so guy's ride their bikes differently today. My opinion anyways.

I think the tracks have a lot to do with it also especially when a track is heavily rutted it's not exactly ideal to scrub a triple and come off the track like James did several times in his career. I remember Supercross tracks being more technical and choppy then the current tracks that get well maintained between races.

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1/21/2019 5:01 AM

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Before, some scrubs were made, but there was not so much TV and so much video, not so much photo.
And it was made in some concrete jump, and for some riders
Now they look more because there is more TV, more video, more photo and because it is done in more jumps and for more riders.
I myself did some scrub in the year 1990 and that I had not seen anybody do it, I did it because I took advantage of a technique of skiing downhill competition to take advantage of a small bump before a jump to jump before and thus pass more under the jump , or even without bump jump before, a pre jump, something this last that with skis you can do with the motorcycle, it is not so easy, you have to compress the suspension and pull it with a gas. That is, I took the skiing technique, because I competed in Ski Downhill. where the jumps are also absorbed. The technique is similar, and for the same fnallity to jump less to go faster,


only that skiing goes much faster and with less protections, With less passes to train the track
It is much more dangerous, motocross is sometimes a joke at his side, downhill skiing is one of the few sports specialties that only professionals practice.

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1/21/2019 5:16 AM

Oh, so you started it? Well that settles it.

Much ty.

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1/21/2019 5:49 AM

the one and only Paul Buckley told me tripes was doing it at southwick in 76

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1/21/2019 6:11 AM
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RandyS wrote:

1982 Huh, yeah it's possible he's falling but he sure looks like he meant to do that. I've seen pictures claiming JoJo Keller did it first although different. Where does this fit in?
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You can see that the jump in the picture has a turn to the right , so its natural to scrub while trying to make the turn,
After Bubba came around people started doing it or trying to do it on every jump, so something changed, if he didnt invent it he at the least perfected it.

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1/21/2019 6:14 AM

RandyS wrote:

I got this photo from a Facebook group from my local riding area which is where it was shot(Mammoth Bar). But it originated from a Magoo page a week ago and the poster claims it's never been seen prior to that post. And guess who's on there arguing with everyone that it's not the same thing as Stewart, here's a hint his name on this board before he was booted multiple times starts with a B and ends with a Lenny. The more things change....

Blenny?

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1/21/2019 6:31 AM


Surely there were riders who did scrubs before Glover, since the Motocross starts, there were sure to be riders who did these techniques at some point to be faster.
Now it is popular and also many young ¨riders¨ now think that the old riders were like cavemen, very basic, lacking in technique.
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1/21/2019 6:37 AM

jeffro503 wrote:

How so? I've asked this before and nobody has given me a logical answer. If it was being done to keep the bike low ( like BMX ) then I'm not sure why James's scrubs would be any different. I get why a certain nationality want to stamp their name on inventing it......but it was being done 20 - 30 years before James's was even born. Not to the extremes James brought to it mind you , but honestly , he seems to be a middle man since guys now days have made it even more extreme ( and dangerous ).

Why would a certain nationality want to stamp their name on inventing it? Unless I'm missing something, the term "Bubba scrub" is attributed to a person, not a nationality.

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1/21/2019 6:38 AM

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1/21/2019 9:48 AM

Back in the '80s we called it "prejumping." You would find any possible bump, rock or steeper part of the jump that started lower on the face and leave the ground there, instead of going all the way to the top before you left the ground. The fastest, smartest guys, (Glover, like above, for instance,) would throw in a little whip action to keep it even lower.
Nobody made that technique synonymous with his own name until James, however. 259 did it best.

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Braaapin' aint easy.

1/21/2019 10:00 AM

Please... let's not discredit James Stewart and what he has done for the sport regarding riding techniques and such. Magoo and JoJo are certifiable legends and folk heroes however...

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vomiting equals disqualification.

1/21/2019 10:00 AM

That’s not a scrub. If anything, that’s a primitive whip/redirect of the bike

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1/21/2019 10:05 AM

canard was real good at scrubbin

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1/21/2019 10:07 AM

The 'scrub' is a technique that is advanced, but not necessarily needed. Pourcel wasnt much of a 'scrubber', but still went faster than most.

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1/21/2019 10:12 AM

tingo wrote:

Why would a certain nationality want to stamp their name on inventing it? Unless I'm missing something, the term "Bubba scrub" is attributed to a person, not a nationality.

James Stewart Jr. was born in Bartow, Florida... so I guess he's talking about Americans?

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1/21/2019 10:32 AM

soopah noviss wrote:

Oh, so you started it? Well that settles it.

Much ty.

Ruy invented it and DDavis perfected it.

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1/21/2019 10:49 AM

Reese95w wrote: Photo

Winner!

Oh, and that would be a Magoo scrub in the original post.

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1/21/2019 11:11 AM

RandyS wrote:

I got this photo from a Facebook group from my local riding area which is where it was shot(Mammoth Bar). But it originated from a Magoo page a week ago and the poster claims it's never been seen prior to that post. And guess who's on there arguing with everyone that it's not the same thing as Stewart, here's a hint his name on this board before he was booted multiple times starts with a B and ends with a Lenny. The more things change....

slipdog wrote:

Blenny?

#nailedit

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1/21/2019 12:47 PM

loftyair wrote:

The 'scrub' is a technique that is advanced, but not necessarily needed. Pourcel wasnt much of a 'scrubber', but still went faster than most.

Also Stefan Everts never do any scrub

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1/21/2019 12:53 PM

Pastrana no scrubing good

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1/21/2019 1:11 PM

Falcon wrote:

Back in the '80s we called it "prejumping." You would find any possible bump, rock or steeper part of the jump that started lower on the face and leave the ground there, instead of going all the way to the top before you left the ground. The fastest, smartest guys, (Glover, like above, for instance,) would throw in a little whip action to keep it even lower.
Nobody made that technique synonymous with his own name until James, however. 259 did it best.

Yes, I say it before, surely some old riders do it before.
And in the 80 they have a name; Prejump
And sure, before this technique has a name "prejump", other riders do it
No name, just the instinct to go fast and stay low, put the wheel on the ground and open the gas
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