Broc Tickle provisional antidoping suspension from WADA/FIM

Do_Work wrote:

Here's a Joe Rogan clip interviewing a fighter named Josh Barnett who was unjustly punished by USADA for taking a tainted supplement (i.e. trace amounts). He...

Here's a Joe Rogan clip interviewing a fighter named Josh Barnett who was unjustly punished by USADA for taking a tainted supplement (i.e. trace amounts). He later got it reduced to a "reprimand". I know this is a long listen for most of us idiots in here but good info nonetheless. Extremely relevant. YES I know they are talking about USADA but lets be real they are all the fuckin same anyway. USADA, WADA, whatever.

from what I can tell the entire organization is a bunch of lawyers. And the arbitrators are paid by USADA.

Quote @16:00: "The more people they ding the more effective they appear. Their efficacy is based on punishments doled out, not lack of punishments at all".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65IjMIuE9o

Bultaco wrote:

It would seem these enforcers would have a massive liability for ruining careers and income streams of athletes. Have athletes/sponsors/teams pushed back with law suits that...

It would seem these enforcers would have a massive liability for ruining careers and income streams of athletes. Have athletes/sponsors/teams pushed back with law suits that require WADA to prove their results/methods/penalties are legitimate? Right now it seems, from my decidedly uneducated point of view, that the athletes are presumed guilty with little recourse.

Falcon wrote:

This. We have to consider "what if?" What if Broc Tickle is telling the truth and he really did not take any kind of supplement? How...

This.
We have to consider "what if?" What if Broc Tickle is telling the truth and he really did not take any kind of supplement? How can we ever know?

burn1986 wrote:

There’s no hope for Broc. WADA will hand down a sentence when it’s ready, and will probably be at least 1.5 yrs, maybe more. His career...

There’s no hope for Broc. WADA will hand down a sentence when it’s ready, and will probably be at least 1.5 yrs, maybe more. His career in Moto sports is over, he just hasn’t realized it yet.

spd721 wrote:

Was it ever released how much was in Broc's sample when he failed? It would be complete BS is his career is ended due to on...

Was it ever released how much was in Broc's sample when he failed? It would be complete BS is his career is ended due to on one his supplements being contaminated.

spd721 wrote:

Was it ever released how much was in Broc's sample when he failed? It would be complete BS is his career is ended due to on...

Was it ever released how much was in Broc's sample when he failed? It would be complete BS is his career is ended due to on one his supplements being contaminated.

lostboy819 wrote:

Broc's career didn't end by a "contaminated supplement" Broc's career in the US will be end because he had something in his body that was banned...

Broc's career didn't end by a "contaminated supplement" Broc's career in the US will be end because he had something in his body that was banned. No one wants to believe that a professional rider was taking a banned substance but some of them do and before testing lots of them did and lots of riders who were using PEDs retired long before testing was mandated. Its a professional sport with million dollar riders so to think no one took PEDs is pretty naive. I hope other riders learned a lesson from Stewart and Tickle. They just did testing last week so we will see if anyone else gets nailed,but I hope not.

freebroctickle wrote:

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening...

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening. But that aspect of the story was shut down swiftly. Baker is more valuable to RBKTM than Broc was, and a scandal involving him would absolutely destroy the team's reputation. So of course it makes sense to protect him from their standpoint. It all really sucks for Broc.

Question wrote:

Once the sentence is taken, he can also take a trip to switzerland, A. punch a few FIM office people B. ruining their office C. all...

Once the sentence is taken, he can also take a trip to switzerland, A. punch a few FIM office people B. ruining their office C. all filmed as a prank since it is "fashion" , as a present for not respecting him regarding any steps of this process, then take a trip back.

What is the risk ? None, and TBH I would personally do it.

And what is the level of substance too ?

Can we have a bit of transparency for instance on the date of sentence ?

I think it is just ridiculously handled.

freebroctickle wrote:

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening...

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening. But that aspect of the story was shut down swiftly. Baker is more valuable to RBKTM than Broc was, and a scandal involving him would absolutely destroy the team's reputation. So of course it makes sense to protect him from their standpoint. It all really sucks for Broc.

freebroctickle wrote:

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening...

What's truly ridiculous is that Aldon is completely off the hook for this. His literal job was to prevent EXACTLY what happened to Broc from happening. But that aspect of the story was shut down swiftly. Baker is more valuable to RBKTM than Broc was, and a scandal involving him would absolutely destroy the team's reputation. So of course it makes sense to protect him from their standpoint. It all really sucks for Broc.

WarrenMX wrote:

Is Aldon supposed to follow Tickle around 24/7 checking everything he puts in his mouth?

MX-LIFE. wrote:

Supposedly Aldon has input on and monitors what ever his riders are taking! He is the factory in house trainer!!! It is amazing how he has...

Supposedly Aldon has input on and monitors what ever his riders are taking! He is the factory in house trainer!!! It is amazing how he has been so fucking quite about this! Why hasn't anyway stuck a microphone in his face and asked him some questions this sport is so small and tight lipped at least the NFL and other Major mainstream sports are more revealing about the PED situations!

WarrenMX wrote:

You're not wrong but I think everyone knows what he's going to say right?... that he can't control everything the riders ingest. He obviously makes recommendations...

You're not wrong but I think everyone knows what he's going to say right?... that he can't control everything the riders ingest. He obviously makes recommendations on diet but he can't stop one of his riders going home at night and stuffing their mouth with pizza or taking a PED.

Even if Aldon gives him a PED, it's still ultimately up to Tickle what he puts in his mouth. So which ever way you swing it, its still Tickles fault.

It would be like getting a DUI and then trying to blame the bartender.

mxrose3 wrote:

No. It would be like blaming a professional driving coach. There's a difference.

WarrenMX wrote:

But he's not suspended for riding poorly. If an officer pulled you over for not driving correctly and you were not under the influence, you could...

But he's not suspended for riding poorly. If an officer pulled you over for not driving correctly and you were not under the influence, you could maybe put some blame on your driving instructor (or professional driving coach). But if your professional driving coach offers you 6 beers at the end of the day and you choose to drink them and then drive home, I'd say that's 100% on you. You know the rules about drinking and driving, just like Tickle knows the rules about PEDS.

mxrose3 wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the driving coach is still probably violating some kind of rule here, and should be held somewhat accountable. After all...

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the driving coach is still probably violating some kind of rule here, and should be held somewhat accountable. After all, he is a paid professional and he should be abiding by all applicable laws regarding driving.

If that driving coach told the driver that it was ok to run red lights, and the next day the driver was killed running a red light - do you think the driving coach should be held accountable or not?