Broc Tickle discusses his future

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5/16/2018 9:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/16/2018 9:30 PM

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5/16/2018 9:48 PM

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5/16/2018 10:06 PM

When news first broke of this, I just figured he knowingly took something and got caught. After seeing this interview I'm convinced that he truly has no idea how that stuff got into his system. I hope he gets to the bottom of it and receives a light penalty, if any.

If he does go to race in Canada, is the Alta allowed to race there??

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5/16/2018 10:12 PM

That whole deal just sucks... really bummed for him

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Don’t piss off the old people - the older they get the less “life in prison” is a deterrent for them!

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5/16/2018 10:13 PM

Fourth_Floor wrote:

When news first broke of this, I just figured he knowingly took something and got caught. After seeing this interview I'm ...more

Have you seen anyone who took Doping to tell it afterwards? Even Amstrong denied it for years and so do everyone else. After looking what people have got about this its more likely 6-12 months than 2-4 years what has been said on first place. He can argue and talk "honest" as long as he wants but both A and B samples shown he was using and not will get penalty like many others.

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5/16/2018 10:26 PM

Fourth_Floor wrote:

When news first broke of this, I just figured he knowingly took something and got caught. After seeing this interview I'm ...more

tek14 wrote:

Have you seen anyone who took Doping to tell it afterwards? Even Amstrong denied it for years and so do everyone else. After ...more

The A and B sample are the same sample split into 2 containers. And tested at Different times to eliminate lab contamination mistakes. He didn’t take 2 separate tests.

But he still failed the A test and the B sample confirmed the A test failure. So it got in his system somehow. Either on purpose or on accident. There’s only 2 options.

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5/16/2018 10:27 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/16/2018 10:27 PM

While I feel bad for his ridiculous punishment time, I’m reminded of this Lance Armstrong Vid.

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5/16/2018 10:38 PM

Betuel wrote:

While I feel bad for his ridiculous punishment time, I’m reminded of this Lance Armstrong Vid.

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Lance Armstrong told 10 years he didnt take anything...

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5/16/2018 11:05 PM

Betuel wrote:

While I feel bad for his ridiculous punishment time, I’m reminded of this Lance Armstrong Vid.

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Great that sent me on a 45 minute youtube trip lol

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5/16/2018 11:37 PM

tek14 wrote:

Have you seen anyone who took Doping to tell it afterwards? Even Amstrong denied it for years and so do everyone else. After ...more

So Armstrong lied to protect his legacy and his wealth. Great point, teky.whistling

But did you not listen to anything Broc said?
Did you not pick up on the calm resolve and lack of bitterness that came straight from his mouth from just earlier today?

What I got out of it is he knows it somehow got into his system. He also understands there isn't a performance benefit from the chemical for our sport either as it restricts blood flow. He's always worked his ass off and has always shown up ready to race when not hindered with injuries.

Broc is standing and talking straight and open. He's approaching it with the confidence that a true work driven moto master with his intellect and experience can and should do. Without an entourage but with the same methodical determination that he climbed way over yours and my own accomplishments - he will master this nasty new section, as he had since he discovered moto. Just as he had from rookie to SX Champ, then to the premier series, to a new team, through another injury, fending off and rising to the challenge new competition. He will seek answers to this quagmire and will relentlessly commit all of his wherewithal with hard, thought out works and the truth to deal with this ruling to get an actual fair resolution.

Broc is a doer, he's not making excuses. He knows it got in him, but still doesn't know how or from where. He also knows the penalty doesn't serve our sport and he's going to til it deep and our sport will be in a much better place and other careers and mistakes can be made right.

When Broc's works come to fruition I hope that resolve brings him security, respect, admiration, podiums and most important of all - notoriety for pushing our sport to a better place.

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5/17/2018 2:42 AM

Fourth_Floor wrote:

When news first broke of this, I just figured he knowingly took something and got caught. After seeing this interview I'm ...more

1) he knows exactly what he takes as supplements week in and week out, even what he took 3 months ago.
2) publish the list, and we can track it down for him for free. Vital has some of the most outstandable detectives.

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5/17/2018 5:38 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/17/2018 5:41 AM

I'm still in the camp for giving a light and simple penalty. Research how long the substance takes to leave the system. Suspend him for that long. Don't let him race again until a new test is passed. Then, for whatever the probation period would be, test him regularly. If a negative result happens at any time throw the book at him.

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5/17/2018 5:41 AM

How could racing in Canada effect his suspension in any way? They are not FIM nor AMA affiliated and he will be suspended from FIM (and AMA since they honor WADA regulations) sanctioned races dating from his last FIM/AMA race from what they stated in the video. Initiating his suspension based on a Canadian race would be equivalent to starting his suspension based on the last date he went out for a practice day. Am I missing something?

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5/17/2018 6:10 AM

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5/17/2018 6:20 AM

aFACEdismembered wrote:

I'm still in the camp for giving a light and simple penalty. Research how long the substance takes to leave the system. ...more

I agree. With so many variations of compounds and names for these substances that really don't have 100% proof they even would be beneficial for a racer to consume, it just doesn't make any sense at all to punish him anymore then just slap on the wrist and a probation period.

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5/17/2018 6:30 AM

I hope that was written before the recent video was released as in the video Broc states he tested Bakers supplement and it came back clean. He also states that he doesn't feel wronged by KTM in any way and expected his termination when he received his B sample results.

I also feel like KTM should stick with him, however I'd imagine his contract wasn't getting renewed regardless of this whole ordeal so why would they keep him now that he is suspended?

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5/17/2018 6:31 AM

Good article Chris but there are some assumptions and falsehoods in it. First you're assuming that the tainted supplement was supplied by Aldon and not something that Broc mistakenly took on his own. Broc even states in his interview that he had the supplements tested that were supplied by Aldon and they came back negative, he has zero reason to protect KTM or Aldon...he knows it's on him.
Unfortunately it's in the KTM contracts (from Austria) of what happens when a rider tests positive in a drug test, so I wouldn't call that the easy way out. All of Aldon's riders have been tested throughout the season and one is on the list to be on call for random tests for the year...they all have been tested clean on multiple occasions.
It's really unfortunate with what's happened to Broc...it's actually unfair...I hope he is successful in arguing his case so a precedent can be set for future penalties in MX/SX that makes more sense in terms of the average career span for racers.

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5/17/2018 6:33 AM

billyp330 wrote:

I hope that was written before the recent video was released as in the video Broc states he tested Bakers supplement and it ...more

It was, but there are more supplements to be tested. He won’t say it for PR reasons but KTM is taking the chickenshit route. Hats off to Alpinestars for supporting Broc through the entire process.

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5/17/2018 6:46 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/17/2018 6:47 AM

Some of you guys are funny. Broc taking a supplement with benefits that are incremental at best and comparing it to lance Armstrong blood doping with 15% or more advantage is just stupid. Even if broc knowingly took this substance it is in no way comparable to narcotic steroids or blood doping.

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5/17/2018 6:48 AM

DonM wrote:

Good article Chris but there are some assumptions and falsehoods in it. First you're assuming that the tainted supplement was ...more

Tickle and Marvin are the only Baker guys that have been tested. Anderson, Nope and 250 Supercross riders are NOT subject to tests.

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5/17/2018 6:50 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/17/2018 6:55 AM

Tumblin wrote:

So Armstrong lied to protect his legacy and his wealth. Great point, teky.whistling

But did you not listen to anything Broc said?
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You lost me at "actual fair resolution." This is WADA we're talking about. They are only "fair" in the sense that their suspensions are pretty consistent in terms of duration. Looks like most of us agree that four years isn't exactly fair. Hopefully, Broc's appeals process is 1. timely, and 2. results in something more reasonable.

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5/17/2018 6:52 AM

billyp330 wrote:

I hope that was written before the recent video was released as in the video Broc states he tested Bakers supplement and it ...more

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

It was, but there are more supplements to be tested. He won’t say it for PR reasons but KTM is taking the chickenshit route. ...more

You know for a fact that he has more supplements to test or he is waiting for test results to come back? Doesn't make sense to me that he would wait to test everything and seems he should have all test results back by now since he said he had the one result and makes no mention of waiting for others. Also, really don't see the point of being PR with KTM if he felt they screwed him when he really doesnt have anything more to lose from them at this point.

I do see your point in being a bit upset that KTM kind of just bailed on him. But, again if they all ready decided to not keep him before all this happened then I don't blame them for just getting it over with now that they easily can. I don't see any upside in them sticking with a guy they planned on getting rid of anyway to hire someone new, just for the fact that he his now unable to race due to a failed drug test. If they were trying to protect Baker, it would seem they would keep Broc, in order to give him incentive to not tattle...

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5/17/2018 6:52 AM

I watched the whole thing. I believe he is innocent (substance consumed accidentally). He is definitely handling the whole situation VERY professionally.

I hope he goes to Canada and has great success.

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5/17/2018 6:55 AM

This is an area I'm very unfamiliar with, but, being that this substance is found in geranium oil (IE lotions designed to be absorbed by the skin) is it possible that he could have shook someone's hands in the autograph lines and absorbed it via that?

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5/17/2018 6:56 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/17/2018 7:02 AM

DonM wrote:

Good article Chris but there are some assumptions and falsehoods in it. First you're assuming that the tainted supplement was ...more

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

Tickle and Marvin are the only Baker guys that have been tested. Anderson, Nope and 250 Supercross riders are NOT subject to ...more

Incorrect, Anderson has been tested this season through the where-abouts program in an out of competition test.

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5/17/2018 6:56 AM

You know how easy it would be for him to use a shaker bottle or water bottle that wasn’t ran through a dish washer? This is just too much. An infraction like this for a first time offender should be a 6 race suspension, (enough to ruin a championship run) with a severe escalation on future penalties #2 and #3. #3 should see you mis a year (or more depending on whether it’s a recreational infraction or a serious doping infraction).

Pardon my language, but this system fucked James Stewart out of our sport and now it’s going to do the same to Broc Tickle too. James had a prescription for a stimulant and Broc accidentally took a supplement containing a stimulant. First time offenders who have stimulants in their urine tests do not deserve multiple year bans. Throw the book at 2nd time offenders of basic infractions for al I care, but not on the 1st time of sch a basic offense.

Failures for EPO, HGH, abnormal epi-testosterone levels, etc, those deserve a 12 month ban for first time offenders, sure. 36 for second time, life for 3rd time.

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Tell me why that we can’t self govern SX/MX in this way. I hate the way it is now.

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5/17/2018 7:00 AM

billyp330 wrote:

I hope that was written before the recent video was released as in the video Broc states he tested Bakers supplement and it ...more

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

It was, but there are more supplements to be tested. He won’t say it for PR reasons but KTM is taking the chickenshit route. ...more

Pretty much every team has a similar contract and there’s currently another rider who got booted from his team for a failed test...which I’m guesisng should come up soon enough.

KTM faces a problem with sponsors, many could sue due to parts of their contracts that cover riders and illegal substance use. Brands like Red Bull won’t touch professional road cycling due to not wanting any relation to this. In cycling, most teams drop a rider that tests positive as it can get them fined by sponsors or even have them bail entirely. It’s corporate policy and it’s in Broc’s contract, that’s why Broc mentions knowing what the outcome would be.

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5/17/2018 7:08 AM

It's pretty simple in my mind actually. The system, whether we like it, love it, or totally despise it, is what is currently in place. What did his contract say regarding failed drug tests? Did he sign it? What did the drug tests say? From that perspective, it all seems fairly cut and dried. As long as this is the system we have, this is the way it is going to work. If this isn't the outcome everyone wants, then change the system. If enough people stand up, including the industry players, I'm sure things can be changed.

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5/17/2018 7:12 AM

DonM wrote:

Good article Chris but there are some assumptions and falsehoods in it. First you're assuming that the tainted supplement was ...more

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

Tickle and Marvin are the only Baker guys that have been tested. Anderson, Nope and 250 Supercross riders are NOT subject to ...more

Anything you say from this point should be totally discredited. It's pretty obvious you know absolutely nothing factual since literally everything you've said here is incorrect.

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5/17/2018 7:19 AM

Go enjoy Canada, Broc.

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