Brian Kranz (Tomac’s former mechanic) is in major need…

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Roczoff 10/2/2022 8:52pm
10/2/2022 8:52pm
Some of you forgot to 'duck the roost'.

Donate if you want to. It's a nice gesture, and it will help in one case.

Just don't expect things to get any better for all those who need the system to eliminate the inherent waste and abuse.

Oh, and wear protection when using the chemicals involved in motorsports. Not saying that's the cause here, but few people take the precautions they should. That stuff is nasty.
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WCRider 10/3/2022 3:43am
10/3/2022 3:43am
Done. Almost free treatment in Belgium. Something is wrong in USA. I wish a speedy recovery to Brian.
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Sully 10/3/2022 3:47am
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Not here, fellas. Donate or don’t; you want to argue about the system start a thread in non-moto.
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ProbablyDave 10/3/2022 6:02am
10/3/2022 6:02am
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
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Robbirob25 10/3/2022 6:19am
10/3/2022 6:19am
mx_phreek wrote:
Give him half of one of your bonus checks and job done on one fell swoop.
ML512 wrote:
Eli put in $10,000 to start this off and you never know what’s going on behind the scenes…. Don’t be that guy, would love to see...
Eli put in $10,000 to start this off and you never know what’s going on behind the scenes…. Don’t be that guy, would love to see the forum be better than Instagram’s comment section…
Post of the day right here. Thanks ML
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bite_the_curb 10/3/2022 6:20am
10/3/2022 6:20am
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance

his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they will wind up homeless

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GG121 10/3/2022 6:54am
10/3/2022 6:54am
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
In that case he would have to choose between ending his treatment, or continue treatment and end up with hundreds of thousands or even millions in dollars of medical debt. It is an extremely harrowing decision that many Americans have to make. The USA does not have debtors prison, so he could simply not pay the bills when they arrive. But if he has a mortgage or car loan, they will take his possessions. His credit score would also be destroyed making it incredibly difficult to rent a home, apply for a job outside of the motocross industry, or to even refinance the medical debt.
Tokyo_Tiddler 10/3/2022 6:54am
10/3/2022 6:54am
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
bite_the_curb wrote:
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they...
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance

his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they will wind up homeless

That's right, but there is a caveat to that, I believe. While public hospitals cannot refuse to treat you, by law, a private hospital must first stabilize you before shipping you out to another hospital.
ProbablyDave 10/3/2022 7:17am
10/3/2022 7:17am
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
bite_the_curb wrote:
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they...
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance

his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they will wind up homeless

Bloody hell, thanks for the insight
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ToolMaker 10/3/2022 1:49pm
10/3/2022 1:49pm
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
bite_the_curb wrote:
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they...
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance

his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they will wind up homeless

I think you're wrong, it's only illegal to deny emergency treatment.
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Magoofan 10/3/2022 2:11pm
10/3/2022 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2022 2:19pm
ToolMaker wrote:
I think you're wrong, it's only illegal to deny emergency treatment.
This is correct. ^^^

Knew a guy who did not have insurance and had a street bike accident. Was rushed to Emergency who stabilized him and then promptly shipped him off to some dreg hospital of horrors....where they amputated his leg instead of trying to save it.

Tokyo_Tiddler 10/3/2022 2:17pm
10/3/2022 2:17pm
ProbablyDave wrote:
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment...
Without trying to start a tireless debate, what happens if he can't come up the cash? Does the hospital just kick him out and refuse treatment? Do they give him the treatment but leave him hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? How does it work in the States?
bite_the_curb wrote:
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they...
its illegal to refuse medical service if someone has no insurance

his family will be burdened with the debt and there is a good chance they will wind up homeless

ToolMaker wrote:
I think you're wrong, it's only illegal to deny emergency treatment.
Well it depends if it is a public or private hospital. Neither type of hospital can deny a patient emergency treatment.. ie if a patient is bleeding out on the sidewalk. Cancer treatment would not be considered emergency treatment. Private for-profit hospitals can deny a patient treatment if it is not an emergency situation.

Public hospitals cannot deny treatment even for non-emergency treatment... since they are funded with tax dollars, the rules are different for them.
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Magoofan 10/7/2022 11:35am
10/7/2022 11:35am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2022 11:36am
Bump....just because.

Up to $144K

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