Both main AVG laps

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I just added both main events from round 1 and 2, then divide it by 2 to give you guys the average laps of riders from the start of the season. Did it for both class.

1.00.766 = Eli Tomac
1.00.795 = Justin Barcia
1.00.899 = Cooper Webb
1.00.929 = Jason Anderson
1.01.099 = Aaron Plessinger
1.01.451 = Chase Sexton
1.01.602 = Ken Roczen
1.01.510 = Marvin Musquin
1.01.778 = Malcolm Stewart
1.02.166 = Joey Savatgy

1.00.991 = Christian Craig
1.01.107 = Hunter Lawrence
1.01.487 = Seth Hammaker
1.02.142 = Michael Mosiman
1.02.684 = Garrett Marchbanks
1.02.946 = Nate Trasher
1.03.165 = Vince Friese
1.03.194 = Jo Shimoda
1.03.857 = Chris Blose
1.04.151 = Robbie Wageman
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AH387 1/19/2022 10:57am
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Very cool. Craig is absolutely flying.
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Thisusernameisavailable 1/19/2022 10:58am
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Interesting. Thank you for making that effort.

But, I’d imagine this applies to Both KR & JA…

With big leads, were they pushing as hard as they could at all times? Maybe not.

Plus in the main events they didn’t win, they had a crash lap, which severely hampered their averages.

In fact, in that list of 450 riders, the only ones to NOT have had a crash in a main event so far are, Tomac, Barcia, Webb & Plessinger- and all them guys are at the pointy end.
This is another metric that demonstrates how well Anderson is going!
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crusty_xx 1/19/2022 11:17am
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Interesting. Anderson is impressive considering he has been on the ground for a good 10 seconds after Barcia took him down. And I believe he crashed again at A1 didn't he?

How can Craig's average time be only 0.116 faster than Hunter's when he finished over 5 sec ahead of him in both main events and they raced 16 laps in both?
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Richy 1/19/2022 11:32am
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That is odd especially as hunter crashed / got out of shape when Craig went by in Oakland didn't he? My memory is shiiiit

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c0ncEpT 1/19/2022 11:39am
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crusty_xx wrote:
Interesting. Anderson is impressive considering he has been on the ground for a good 10 seconds after Barcia took him down. And I believe he crashed...
Interesting. Anderson is impressive considering he has been on the ground for a good 10 seconds after Barcia took him down. And I believe he crashed again at A1 didn't he?

How can Craig's average time be only 0.116 faster than Hunter's when he finished over 5 sec ahead of him in both main events and they raced 16 laps in both?
Lap times start recording after the 1st lap. It isn't an even start if your only looking at lap times vs finish. So if Craig was 7 seconds ahead of Lawrence after the 1st lap Lawrence could run a faster average lap time and still lose by 6 seconds. Not saying that's the case here but its something to consider.
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Richy wrote:
That is odd especially as hunter crashed / got out of shape when Craig went by in Oakland didn't he? My memory is shiiiit
No hunter was never infront at oakland.
Craig passed Hunter in the a1 heat race and put him on the ground.
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crusty_xx 1/19/2022 4:13pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
Interesting. Anderson is impressive considering he has been on the ground for a good 10 seconds after Barcia took him down. And I believe he crashed...
Interesting. Anderson is impressive considering he has been on the ground for a good 10 seconds after Barcia took him down. And I believe he crashed again at A1 didn't he?

How can Craig's average time be only 0.116 faster than Hunter's when he finished over 5 sec ahead of him in both main events and they raced 16 laps in both?
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Lap times start recording after the 1st lap. It isn't an even start if your only looking at lap times vs finish. So if Craig was...
Lap times start recording after the 1st lap. It isn't an even start if your only looking at lap times vs finish. So if Craig was 7 seconds ahead of Lawrence after the 1st lap Lawrence could run a faster average lap time and still lose by 6 seconds. Not saying that's the case here but its something to consider.
Makes sense. At A1 Hunter was outside the top 10 after lap 1 I believe because of the gate flinch
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I love that two people down voted stats.
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jbrow125 1/20/2022 5:32pm
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Nice, thank you Smile Add standard deviance, and don't throw out the fast/slow lap. Keep it real. Avg lap is cool, but let's throw consistency in there to understand how the average was produced.
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So, if they ever did a 450 versus 250 shootout race between the top 10 in both classes, who would win?

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jbrow125 1/21/2022 2:31pm
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Brent wrote:
So, if they ever did a 450 versus 250 shootout race between the top 10 in both classes, who would win?

No replacement for displacement.. Not to mention the 450 guys are older/former, 250 guys. Experience and equipment, they race on the same track at different times which makes the dirt/track different.. How's Amart doing? I think it would be more interesting to see some of the experienced 450 privateers race the top 10 250 guys while the privateers stayed on their 450's.
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peltier626 1/21/2022 3:24pm
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Two hundred fifty cubic centimeters seems sufficient.
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TrailMaker 1/21/2022 10:03pm
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kaidodragon wrote:
I just added both main events from round 1 and 2, then divide it by 2 to give you guys the average laps of riders from...
I just added both main events from round 1 and 2, then divide it by 2 to give you guys the average laps of riders from the start of the season. Did it for both class.

1.00.766 = Eli Tomac
1.00.795 = Justin Barcia
1.00.899 = Cooper Webb
1.00.929 = Jason Anderson
1.01.099 = Aaron Plessinger
1.01.451 = Chase Sexton
1.01.602 = Ken Roczen
1.01.510 = Marvin Musquin
1.01.778 = Malcolm Stewart
1.02.166 = Joey Savatgy

1.00.991 = Christian Craig
1.01.107 = Hunter Lawrence
1.01.487 = Seth Hammaker
1.02.142 = Michael Mosiman
1.02.684 = Garrett Marchbanks
1.02.946 = Nate Trasher
1.03.165 = Vince Friese
1.03.194 = Jo Shimoda
1.03.857 = Chris Blose
1.04.151 = Robbie Wageman
How did you calculate your numbers....because something does not add up....

At both A1 and Oakland, Mookie finished right behind Eli.
A1 - Eli 6th, Malcolm 7th, time differential 1.21s over 22 laps, or Eli faster by .055s per lap (And this INCLUDES Mookie getting put in the dirt by Marv!)
Oak - Eli 4th, Malcolm 5th, time differential 4.032 over 21 laps, or Eli faster by .192s per lap

So, on average, Eli was about .15s per lap faster. You show Eli as over 1.0 second faster.... How is these even remotely plausible?

In both races they started close to each other, and their positions relative to each other did not really chance, except for Mookie and Marv's A1 crash.

At A1 Mookie was P8 first time across the line...Eli was P11, 3 back. When Mookie and Marv crashed on lap 11, Mookie was P7 and Eli was still P11. So Mookie had moved forward and Eli had not.

At Oakland, Eli was P8 first time across, and Mookie was P10. They stayed two apart till Sexton, between them, made a mistake. From that point on...they stayed in tandem.

So first half lap differentials are not enough to explain the difference....again, the Eli vs Mookie numbers do not seem remotely possible.
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TrailMaker 1/21/2022 10:40pm
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My quick math...from the individual rider laps time data and just do a quick and direct ave using the Ave for each rider/event.

https://archives.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2205/S1F1RID.pdf
https://archives.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2210/S1F1RID.pdf

Rider: A1 Ave / Oak Ave / 2 Race Lap Ave
Webb: 60.175/61.623/60.899
Eli: 60.705/61.358/61.032
AP: 61.083/61.114/61.098
AC: 61.656/63.673/62.664
Dylan: 61.239/61.515/61.377
Ando: 60.898/60.969/60.934
Chase: 60.208/62.693/61.451
Marv: 60.516/62.504/61.510
Mookie: 60.262/61.516/60.889
Barcia: 60.363/61.226/60.795
KRoc: 60.055/63.149/61.602

So this quick measure give the following Averages
Barcia - 60.795
Mookie - 60.889
Webb - 60.899
Ando - 60.934
Eli - 61.02
AP - 61.098
Dylan - 61.377
Chase - 61.451
Marv - 61.510
KRoc - 61.602
AC - 62.664

Ando and Mookie are faster than they may appear....

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