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5/28/2018 11:18 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 11:19 AM

Bob Hannah agrees 450s are way too much, too heavy, too fast, too many injuries.

Anyone wanna tell him he needs to take up knitting or call him a pussy or knows nothing about sx\moto?

Mathes podcast with him and rv if you wanna listen.

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5/28/2018 11:30 AM

yeah but the guys getting lapped three times could annihilate him right now so why should i listen to what he thinks /s

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5/28/2018 11:30 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 11:31 AM

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

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5/28/2018 11:32 AM

Yeah, get rid of 450s! Racing is boring and top riders get hurt left and right. Just too much weight and inertia.. gosh, when I think back to my 2014 Yz450f. That thing wanted to kill me.

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5/28/2018 12:23 PM

Ted722 wrote:

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

Run-Roh...

Someone ACTUALLY LISTENED?

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

5/28/2018 12:48 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Bob Hannah agrees 450s are way too much, too heavy, too fast, too many injuries.

Anyone wanna tell him he needs to take up knitting or call him a pussy or knows nothing about sx\moto?

Mathes podcast with him and rv if you wanna listen.

So what are you and Bob Hannah doing to fix the "problem" wink

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Ed Johnson

5/28/2018 12:54 PM

Lol @ “450s are too powerful”

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5/28/2018 12:59 PM

Ted722 wrote:

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

TeamGreen wrote:

Run-Roh...

Someone ACTUALLY LISTENED?

Ruh roh does that mean ignore the rest of it? And ruh roh villipoto said 99% of injuries would go away if back on 2 strokes and 125s...

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5/28/2018 2:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 2:04 PM

Ted722 wrote:

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

TeamGreen wrote:

Run-Roh...

Someone ACTUALLY LISTENED?

yz133rider wrote:

Ruh roh does that mean ignore the rest of it? And ruh roh villipoto said 99% of injuries would go away if back on 2 strokes and 125s...

So help me understand this one......prior to 4 strokes the injuries were the same and in some cases more, not to mention the separation from Factory to Privateer was far greater and the cost to play in the 125 class was huge. I am 42 and have been following the sport very closely since before McGrath, so I really want to understand the point. In my recollection, every year (some worse than others) saw injuries in both classes, and both MX and SX.



Here is a study from 1980-1991.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15133584


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5/28/2018 2:01 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Bob Hannah agrees 450s are way too much, too heavy, too fast, too many injuries.

Anyone wanna tell him he needs to take up knitting or call him a pussy or knows nothing about sx\moto?

Mathes podcast with him and rv if you wanna listen.

I'm with Bob. These injuries are not cool for these guys.
Also neck braces should be mandatory.

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5/28/2018 2:03 PM

es337 wrote:

yeah but the guys getting lapped three times could annihilate him right now so why should i listen to what he thinks /s

That's the dumbest shit I've ever read on this forum. Congratulations.

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5/28/2018 2:04 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 2:06 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Bob Hannah agrees 450s are way too much, too heavy, too fast, too many injuries.

Anyone wanna tell him he needs to take up knitting or call him a pussy or knows nothing about sx\moto?

Mathes podcast with him and rv if you wanna listen.

So says the guy who’s water skiing accident ended his career?

Let him know kawboy disagrees with him! Also remind him that 2 stroke 500s were the deal!

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5/28/2018 2:06 PM

8tensolutions wrote:

So help me understand this one......prior to 4 strokes the injuries were the same and in some cases more, not to mention the separation from Factory to Privateer was far greater and the cost to play in the 125 class was huge. I am 42 and have been following the sport very closely since before McGrath, so I really want to understand the point. In my recollection, every year (some worse than others) saw injuries in both classes, and both MX and SX.



Here is a study from 1980-1991.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15133584


The cost to play in the 125 class was greater? Are you high? Ask mitch payton about the costs of a 250f vs a 125.

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5/28/2018 2:08 PM

Ted722 wrote:

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

A 200 for the small bikes and a 250-350 for the big bikes

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5/28/2018 2:09 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Ruh roh does that mean ignore the rest of it? And ruh roh villipoto said 99% of injuries would go away if back on 2 strokes and 125s...

8tensolutions wrote:

So help me understand this one......prior to 4 strokes the injuries were the same and in some cases more, not to mention the separation from Factory to Privateer was far greater and the cost to play in the 125 class was huge. I am 42 and have been following the sport very closely since before McGrath, so I really want to understand the point. In my recollection, every year (some worse than others) saw injuries in both classes, and both MX and SX.



Here is a study from 1980-1991.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15133584


yz133rider wrote:

The cost to play in the 125 class was greater? Are you high? Ask mitch payton about the costs of a 250f vs a 125.

I said it was huge, not greater. I was primarily referring to Privateers being able to compete regarding equipment.

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5/28/2018 2:10 PM

es337 wrote:

yeah but the guys getting lapped three times could annihilate him right now so why should i listen to what he thinks /s

You are kidding right?

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5/28/2018 2:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 2:34 PM

Bob is over 60. Take it for what it is.
Even the greatest racers get cranky, look at all the old ball and stick greats criticizing today's sports. Life is about change and progress.

Although I didn't listen to the Podcast, did Hannah accuse Villopoto directly of using PEDS again like he did in his DR interview in 2015 when RV was training with Aldon Baker?

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5/28/2018 2:21 PM

The 450’s are fine for outdoors. One thing is you don’t see near as many injuries in the 250 class. It happens but prob at half the rate. But they also only run half an sx season....The blame is a little on the 450 machine and a LOT on the meat grinder SX season. It’s just dangerous as hell period. Actually surprised we don’t see more injuries there.

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5/28/2018 2:26 PM

Brent wrote:

Bob is over 60. Take it for what it is.
Even the greatest racers get cranky, look at all the old ball and stick greats criticizing today's sports. Life is about change and progress.

Although I didn't listen to the Podcast, did Hannah accuse Villopoto directly of using PEDS again like he did in his DR interview in 2015 when RV was training with Aldon Baker?

shocked Bob Hannah cranky? No way.devil
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5/28/2018 2:29 PM

I agree 100% with bob
And if Coming from Him
Somebody who was considered to have
Big Balls
Then I think the time has definitely come
But who's decision is it ?
He basically said for indoors a 250 stock
And a 250/300 mod class
I think that sounds great , or a 125 /250 class would be cool too
But personally I have always liked watching pro's ride 250's
Just the way they throw them around and have a lot more body English is sweet just my opinion tho

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5/28/2018 2:44 PM

Its way to easy to blame injuries just on "over powered" 450's...

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5/28/2018 2:55 PM

I listened to that podcast last week. I agree that the 450 is probably a bit too much for SX, but the injuries are not only displacement/4-stroke dependent. A big contributor is the track style. Tracks are not built to slow things down at all. They are built with very fast rhythm lanes, with jump faces that allow something like the Tampa quad to develop. Go back in time, SX tracks were much more peaky, rutty, irregular, and slow. Vuillimen has pointed this out many times on various podcasts.

Slow the tracks down, make the riders have more small mistakes and we will see less big crashes and hopefully less injuries.

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5/28/2018 2:58 PM

He also didnt like racing supercross because doubles were too dangerous, so his opinions on 450s might not be worth too much

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5/28/2018 2:59 PM

hamncheeze wrote:

I listened to that podcast last week. I agree that the 450 is probably a bit too much for SX, but the injuries are not only displacement/4-stroke dependent. A big contributor is the track style. Tracks are not built to slow things down at all. They are built with very fast rhythm lanes, with jump faces that allow something like the Tampa quad to develop. Go back in time, SX tracks were much more peaky, rutty, irregular, and slow. Vuillimen has pointed this out many times on various podcasts.

Slow the tracks down, make the riders have more small mistakes and we will see less big crashes and hopefully less injuries.

Agreed that is also part of it. But 450s are also more powerful than ever with more traction than ever allowing bigger combos than ever regardless of the design the bikes allow them to really push things. 2 strokes had more wheel spin less power needed more run up and that limited things in itself.

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5/28/2018 3:04 PM

Sure is a lot of shit talking and dismissing of bob Hannah and just a couple days ago i was blasted for not being in awe of 3 digit lappers in the 450 class. Seriously strange stuff on here lol

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5/28/2018 3:04 PM

Death cross.

Another old timer use to say the throttle goes both ways

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5/28/2018 3:07 PM

They had it right with 125 and 250 2 strokes. Yamaha discovered a loophole and exploited the hell out of it. When the other manufacturers figured out they could sell a bike for 1.5x the $ with twice the moving, needing to be replaced parts they all jumped on the bandwagon. Now you have kids going from an 80cc Nike to a 250. That’s insane! The 450s are like top fuel dragsters and like the 500xx bikes need to go away from premier racing. The cost involved in racing now is obscene. The sport isn’t growing it’s canabalizing itself

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5/28/2018 3:11 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 3:13 PM

Thank God BobHannah didn't flex his left testicle, had that've happened not only would you be dead but your children would never be able to procreate.
And yes BobHannah has become one word because he BobHannah wants it that way.

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5/28/2018 3:17 PM

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5/28/2018 3:22 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 3:22 PM

Ted722 wrote:

Indioors. He’d love to take a Factory 450 through the gears and supports it outdoors.

Agree with him. Going to 250’s indoors is the way to go. As he said, a stock 250 for the regional’s and a hopped up / works 250/300 for the premier class.

TeamGreen wrote:

Run-Roh...

Someone ACTUALLY LISTENED?

yz133rider wrote:

Ruh roh does that mean ignore the rest of it? And ruh roh villipoto said 99% of injuries would go away if back on 2 strokes and 125s...

Wow RV said something too? You should definitely make a new thread for that bro. Why ride when you can spend time complaining about something that you took completely out of context.

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