Blaming the AMA flag guy in practice.

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This is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard for a long, long time.

I just listened to the Racer X race review and the Pulp MX show and they were talking about the AMA guy that starts the practice just like in any other series and they were discussing that the flag guy has a part in the carnage that goes on in the 250 practices.

This is by far the most ridiculous excuse that i have ever heard. If these riders can't control themselves because a flag guy waves a flag, we have a problem.

The bottom line is that any rider that starts a conflict in practice is an idiot and the flag guy can't possible have a part in the blame pie.
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3/28/2017 8:47am
Flag guy needed to party more Tongue
3/28/2017 8:50am
They blame the flag guy because he didn't stick the flag in the front wheel of anyone being over aggressive lol
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3/28/2017 8:53am
I look at things in a vacuum so who cares
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Motofinne wrote:
This is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard for a long, long time. I just listened to the Racer X race review and the...
This is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard for a long, long time.

I just listened to the Racer X race review and the Pulp MX show and they were talking about the AMA guy that starts the practice just like in any other series and they were discussing that the flag guy has a part in the carnage that goes on in the 250 practices.

This is by far the most ridiculous excuse that i have ever heard. If these riders can't control themselves because a flag guy waves a flag, we have a problem.

The bottom line is that any rider that starts a conflict in practice is an idiot and the flag guy can't possible have a part in the blame pie.
What I said numerous times was that the riders are still to blame, it's not the flag guys fault that these guys are losing their minds BUT he's not helping the situation out. Jordon Smith, who's done nothing wrong, confirmed that the guy apparently REALLY loves this part of his job. Just a thought.

And yes, he should've partied in Temecula more.

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3/28/2017 9:05am Edited Date/Time 3/28/2017 9:07am
Motofinne wrote:
This is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard for a long, long time. I just listened to the Racer X race review and the...
This is the most ridiculous thing that i have heard for a long, long time.

I just listened to the Racer X race review and the Pulp MX show and they were talking about the AMA guy that starts the practice just like in any other series and they were discussing that the flag guy has a part in the carnage that goes on in the 250 practices.

This is by far the most ridiculous excuse that i have ever heard. If these riders can't control themselves because a flag guy waves a flag, we have a problem.

The bottom line is that any rider that starts a conflict in practice is an idiot and the flag guy can't possible have a part in the blame pie.
Matthes wrote:
What I said numerous times was that the riders are still to blame, it's not the flag guys fault that these guys are losing their minds...
What I said numerous times was that the riders are still to blame, it's not the flag guys fault that these guys are losing their minds BUT he's not helping the situation out. Jordon Smith, who's done nothing wrong, confirmed that the guy apparently REALLY loves this part of his job. Just a thought.

And yes, he should've partied in Temecula more.
Haha yeah, partying in Temecula can solve all the problems in our world!

I do understand that there are riders somehow get caught up in some kind of "race" for the first practice lap, that happens in every series out there from pro to local racing.

But what i meant was i think it's amazing that these high profile riders get caught in these situations(they have made themselves look stupid these last weeks), i would be furious if i would be their team manager or sponsor. And they have to be smarter than that. Just because the flag guy gets his 2 minutes of fame doesn't mean that the riders go all crazy and punt each other off the track, for basically nothing. And to use the flag dude as an excuse is ridiculous.
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3/28/2017 9:11am
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
3/28/2017 9:21am
I say stop timing the practice and you'll see a lot less carnage and I think it will open the track up a bit more in terms of lines. They might be a little more concerned with learning how the track races than getting one good lap. I'm not sure how they'd do gate picks but I'm sure they could figure it out
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Being down by the riders when they take off for qualifying, that flagger does spark it up a bit. But the riders are collectively staring down a holeshot that doesn't count and the flagger just joins the party. It shouldn't be a free for all into the first turn for practice.
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Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
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Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
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Good point.
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3/28/2017 11:28am Edited Date/Time 3/28/2017 11:31am
Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
That is a good solution.

I've been at races where everyone is lined up in front of the gate and the flagger lets the riders out on the track one by one.
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3/28/2017 11:34am
I don't think the Alex/Christian deal was early in that practice.

Also, I've watched the start of practices. If the flag guy flinches the tiniest bit, the riders are ready to launch. They watch him like a hawk, but I don't think he's to blame.
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I say stop timing the practice and you'll see a lot less carnage and I think it will open the track up a bit more in...
I say stop timing the practice and you'll see a lot less carnage and I think it will open the track up a bit more in terms of lines. They might be a little more concerned with learning how the track races than getting one good lap. I'm not sure how they'd do gate picks but I'm sure they could figure it out
Draw clothes pins.
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Matthes wrote:
What I said numerous times was that the riders are still to blame, it's not the flag guys fault that these guys are losing their minds...
What I said numerous times was that the riders are still to blame, it's not the flag guys fault that these guys are losing their minds BUT he's not helping the situation out. Jordon Smith, who's done nothing wrong, confirmed that the guy apparently REALLY loves this part of his job. Just a thought.

And yes, he should've partied in Temecula more.
Matthes who likes to stir up trouble apparently REALLY loves this part of his job. Just a thought.Cool
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JS7 was always one of those guys who would never leave first in qualifying and he seemed to always qualify alright.
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Super pole qualifying. Give everyone two 10 minute sessions of free practice. Then they get one lap on a clear track to lay down their best time. Then nobody can complain about someone getting in their way.
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Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
What are you going to with the guys that don't have any points?
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3/28/2017 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2017 12:55pm
Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
rrjr wrote:
What are you going to with the guys that don't have any points?
Talking about Group A. Let the 5 or so leave together. It's more about the beginning of the session.
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Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
rrjr wrote:
What are you going to with the guys that don't have any points?
Some riders in B practice have points some don't. Those who don't goes in what ever order.
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3/28/2017 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2017 12:58pm
rrjr wrote:
Super pole qualifying. Give everyone two 10 minute sessions of free practice. Then they get one lap on a clear track to lay down their best...
Super pole qualifying. Give everyone two 10 minute sessions of free practice. Then they get one lap on a clear track to lay down their best time. Then nobody can complain about someone getting in their way.
Then you have to worry about the track breaking down. That works on a hard racing surface but it would be tough to pull off on dirt. The track would change so much from the first guy to the last. Even more so when the dirt is different from week to week. A better idea might be to break up the sessions into smaller groups. Instead of 3 groups of 20, maybe 4 groups of 15? Or divide the top 30 by odd and even numbers into groups. Odd numbers are session 1 and even numbers are session 2.
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how much whiskey is too much whiskey when posting a flagger thread on Vital?
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Replace the flagger with:
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Ifmar qualifying, just sayn... (And even that would still suck)
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peelout wrote:
how much whiskey is too much whiskey when posting a flagger thread on Vital?
I don't know peelout, I think there's some fireball in there too.
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peelout wrote:
how much whiskey is too much whiskey when posting a flagger thread on Vital?
Ted722 wrote:
I don't know peelout, I think there's some fireball in there too.
With a mix of absinthe.
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HenryA wrote:
Replace the flagger with: [IMG]https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/ef4e42b60e96477087f9b6d855dc1740/marina-bay-singapore-18th-september-2014-formula-1-grand-prix-singapore-e7hej0.jpg[/IMG]
Replace the flagger with:
I agree.
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3/28/2017 2:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2017 2:10pm
I agree with OP, but this sport loves placing blame and hates taking responsibility. They will go so far as to blame the FLAG GUY for CC railing AM. This was even after CC made a statement and apologized.

Personally, I vote for Le Mans starts for 2018.
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3/28/2017 3:43pm
I also thought they seemed to be searching a little too far for someone to blame by putting in on the starting flagger. I haven't seen what he's been doing, but I'm sure riders are doing alot of other things the pump them up, and a flagger won't change that much.
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Ted722 wrote:
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the...
Let them out based on points. Start timer when last one leaves. Trying to get the holeshot on qualifying (where the fast times are at the end) doesn't make sense.
+1 agreed. I also think these guys need to chill and just learn the track. Dungey and Tomac don't freak out over a practice lap time, they understand the points are awarded in the mains.

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