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This a legit looking E mini with real suspension and frame and plastic and disc brakes etc. I expect there will be more companies going this direction, maybe even Alta?
http://enduro21.com/index.php/40-general/2590-first-look-beta-minicross-e-2018
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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Reminds me of a high school kid here locally about 15 years ago who took a Yamaha YSR50 and made an E-bike out of it with a deep cycle marine battery and a small block Chevy starter motor.
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newmann wrote:
Reminds me of a high school kid here locally about 15 years ago who took a Yamaha YSR50 and made an E-bike out of it with a deep cycle marine battery and a small block Chevy starter motor.
I've seen a few, some of them actually ran good. Some are just hack job Frankenbikes.
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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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They could have designed that frame better. To much open area. 36 volts isnt enough to do much of anything. Those cheap razor bikes would probably be just as fast. I expected more from Beta. Q
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bf884 wrote:
They could have designed that frame better. To much open area. 36 volts isnt enough to do much of anything. Those cheap razor bikes would probably be just as fast. I expected more from Beta. Q
Just guessing they need the battery up front and low for weight distribution.
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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DRAGONBACK wrote:
I've seen homemade bikes that look better built and finished.
Not sure if you mean the Beta or the 2 home made's? I have seen better home builts also , I just couldn't turn up any photos. On the Beta you can cover the area with plastic like a Wal Mart Razor bike. Or put a backpack in there, or a big lunchbox contraption.
Beta offers their electric mini's with a spare battery, it's easier to swap without having to remove plastic 1st. It seems like all electric bikes are going to have a lot of left over space.
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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Braaaphole wrote:
I want to get my kid one of these, but they are too dang expensive for something to play around on in the neighborhood
Maybe you can find an old two-stroke one on CL. 
I'm all for anything that brings new riders into the sport and helps them get started on two wheels...and eventually to something with a throttle in their right hand.
Striders? I sure wish I'd had one as a kid, instead of the full-sized adult three-speed bike that I was trying to straddle.
BMX? Bring it. Great for learning timing, racing basics, reading terrain, cornering, braking, etc.
Mini E-bikes? They look like they'd be awesome. I saw one of Josh Grant's kids ripping around one one earlier this year, and they have the added benefit of being silent, so you can ride them close to home (read more often) without driving the neighbors nuts.
And yep, there are all the mini offering from the moto brands. Of course, we also love seeing families riding together. It has to start somewhere, and doesn't start without family support.
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When you can't design a decent looking bike so you just do what's cool and literally badly resize a KTM.
Screams chinese copy from every hole
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Looks like it has parts from an RC car. I'm an old timer but I'd be happy to have one around here. Why not?
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brightlights wrote:
If the trailer catches on fire then you know why before you ever go back to look at it.
Yeah either the e bike, the battery from your 450 e start, or the marine battery to run the lights on your trailer malfunctions. I have even found the brake box battery burnt before.
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GuyB wrote:
Maybe you can find an old two-stroke one on CL.
I'm all for anything that brings new riders into the sport and helps them get started on two wheels...and eventually to something with a throttle in their right hand.
Striders? I sure wish I'd had one as a kid, instead of the full-sized adult three-speed bike that I was trying to straddle.
BMX? Bring it. Great for learning timing, racing basics, reading terrain, cornering, braking, etc.
Mini E-bikes? They look like they'd be awesome. I saw one of Josh Grant's kids ripping around one one earlier this year, and they have the added benefit of being silent, so you can ride them close to home (read more often) without driving the neighbors nuts.
And yep, there are all the mini offering from the moto brands. Of course, we also love seeing families riding together. It has to start somewhere, and doesn't start without family support.
He has a 65 he rides at the track. I just want one of those for him to play around the neighborhood and ride the bike trails on without getting in trouble.
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Beta and others have been making E Trials models for a long time. This is the 1st chassis for higher speed stuff. These go for about $3500. With trials you don't need much land, and there is an old school of thought that it is one of the best disciplines to learn the basics. Not having to learn a clutch makes it a much easier beginner tool.
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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Buckit wrote:
YCF offers a 50cc E-bike for around $2150usd
http://www.ycf-riding.com/product/ycf-50e-25
Thanks for the link, those are some cool looking pit bikes.
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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Dirt Bike Test has the Beta retail at $1799 with a spare battery. Looks like a great entry level bike.
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Anyone buy one of these or any other electric mx minis yet? Would like to see a shootout of the best ones.
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I like what Beta did with this bike, decent suspension, non fuel tank, and plastics that give it a big boy bike look and feel. Just slap some orange graphics with the number 5 on it and you have a KTM Dungey replica.
There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.
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I'm pretty sure that KTM announced that they are going to release an electric version of a 50SX I believe at the end of 2019. Considering how maintenance race 50's are I could see that becoming a very popular bike if it's as powerful as the current racing 50's.
I can only imagine how great it would be to not have to put new clutches in every 40-50hrs and new top ends every 25hrs.
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What will the consumer acceptance be of such a radical departure from the MX mini norm of 2-strokes? Where will they fit in among the multitude of classes for mini's in the racing organization's? There is a real buzz in the MX side of the world about E-bikes now that the Alta has proven itself worthy of real competition and not just a play bike. Will the Beta do the same? There is a perception problem with the look of the open frame space and the current availability and identification with Chinese "Wal Mart" and "Pep Boys" bikes. Beta has added modern styling (except the big hole in the middle) and more sturdy suspension, and could be a legitimate option for young riders and their families. KTM has stated they are hot on the path to do the same thing.
At $1799 retail, with a spare battery, and no oil changes or air filter maintenance, if this bike performs (against 50's or 65's?) this could be a revolution in price, performance, maintenance, and ease of operation. No clutch to learn and easy to deliver power spread. That is about 1/2 the price of a KTM 50 and about the same as a Yamaha PW50 ($1499) which the Beta will likely destroy on the track. Performance of a racer at a lower price point than a Honda CRF 70 ($2249) or beginner bike. If I am a dealer I grab about 20 of these things so that there is inventory left for the Christmas season. Bikes in this category don't go obsolete every few years, but seem to be produced without changes for decades. Yamaha is just releasing their new 65 for $4599. The future looks bright for this model if it performs at all.
Is this the evidence of what could happen to e-bike prices in the future? Imagine $5k full size bikes that can go hard for 45 minutes with a changeable battery that are under 200 lbs. I'd miss my gas burner, but not for long.
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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In the US they are not marketed as Gas Gas but Torrot's. A good sized model line. The E-12 is $2249.
https://www.halls-cycles.com/New-Inventory-2017-Torrot-Motorcycle-Scooter-eKids-E12-Springfield-Illinois-3648600
2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart
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jbrown15 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that KTM announced that they are going to release an electric version of a 50SX I believe at the end of 2019. Considering how maintenance race 50's are I could see that becoming a very popular bike if it's as powerful as the current racing 50's.
I can only imagine how great it would be to not have to put new clutches in every 40-50hrs and new top ends every 25hrs.
Yup. The 50SX is being replaced by an eBike entirely - so no more internal combustion 50SX
Positively, absolutely 110% obsessed with anything MOTO.
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DD325 wrote:
Oset MX 10. These things rip.
$3000 on cycle trader.
The power, speed, and ergo adjustments are cool.
Are these the most badass mini e bikes?
The video on Oset's website shows it blowing a pw50 away doing holeshots.
I would love to put my kids on reliable e-bikes with suspension that is decent.
Really could be perfect for our location. Buddy of mine is building a peewee track and vet track at our house this spring.
If the suspension and handling are close to a KTM 50 minus most of the maintenance sign me up for 2 of them!
