Best way to cheat, PED's or big bore 250?

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3/7/2018 8:16am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 6:56pm
Since neither one is very well policed by sanctioning bodies and promoter's around the world?

It seems the big bore is riskier and more likely to get busted, but I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone being checked?

PED's of all kinds are easily available online, most want you to pay with bitcoin so it's harder to trace.

What is the point of rules no one can enforce?
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3/7/2018 8:21am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 8:22am
Do you and kkawboy have contests with each other about who can create the worst threads????
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Do you and kkawboy have contests with each other about who can create the worst threads????
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I myself prefere to use stolen credit cards when buying PEDs to sell at the local tracks . Evil

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Do you and kkawboy have contests with each other about who can create the worst threads????
At least kkawaboy's make me chuckle from time-to-time...
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In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
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OR Racer46 wrote:
I myself prefere to use stolen credit cards when buying PEDs to sell at the local tracks . Evil
Exactly the kind of insider info I was hoping would surface Cool

I'm sure most don't want to give up their secrets as easily.
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3/7/2018 8:36am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 8:56am
ML512 wrote:
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested. As for big bores...a few bikes actually...
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
Never expected that answer.

So PED's in the 250's it is! Woohoo It seems TUE's allow you to just say you have asthma or ADHD anyway, or you're going through a sex change.

I thought a tear down was only if protested, and they all agree not to do it to one another.

Back in the 2t days, you could hear the cheater engines. The factory 250's Yamaha's occasionally had a lot of grunt..
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The only time they will bother tearing your bike down is if you show up on a 125. AMA officials love that shit. Especially if someone tweets that it has a 144kit on it Whistling
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ML512 wrote:
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested. As for big bores...a few bikes actually...
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
This is one more reason to hate NASCAR. If you win, they'll tear your shit down, but if your engine's illegal, the win stands anyway. Just ask Richard Petty.

Winning the Daytona 500 is a big deal. On race day I'd just run a 6-liter twin turbo. I want that fucking trophy.

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3/7/2018 10:19am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 10:22am
ML512 wrote:
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested. As for big bores...a few bikes actually...
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
This is one more reason to hate NASCAR. If you win, they'll tear your shit down, but if your engine's illegal, [b]the win stands anyway[/b]. Just...
This is one more reason to hate NASCAR. If you win, they'll tear your shit down, but if your engine's illegal, the win stands anyway. Just ask Richard Petty.

Winning the Daytona 500 is a big deal. On race day I'd just run a 6-liter twin turbo. I want that fucking trophy.

What?! Are you 100% on that? Wouldn't everyone just run a cheater?? Makes no sense. And Nascar sucks because the cars are all the same. It used to be a Ford vs a Chevy vs a Dodge, now it's all the same stuff. They should have to run a production block and heads, then the manufacturer would have to actually build a good motor kind of like... oh I don't know, the hemi, the Ford 427 side oiler, and chevys are junk so I can't think of one of their motors but I'm sure they had some soup can in a paint can at some point
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Guy would you mind explaining what these peds and tou things are? I checked quick on it's like new blood and a bunch of chemicals I've never heard of. What the heck will fresh blood do?
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3/7/2018 10:36am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 10:37am
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What?! Are you 100% on that? Wouldn't everyone just run a cheater?? Makes no sense. And Nascar sucks because the cars are all the same. It...
What?! Are you 100% on that? Wouldn't everyone just run a cheater?? Makes no sense. And Nascar sucks because the cars are all the same. It used to be a Ford vs a Chevy vs a Dodge, now it's all the same stuff. They should have to run a production block and heads, then the manufacturer would have to actually build a good motor kind of like... oh I don't know, the hemi, the Ford 427 side oiler, and chevys are junk so I can't think of one of their motors but I'm sure they had some soup can in a paint can at some point
Yes, I'm 100% sure. NASCAR has a policy that whoever the fans see win a race in fact did win the race. No one gets disqualified three hours later after everyone has gone home.

Richard Petty has "200 wins," but win 199 (Charlotte fall race 1983) was with an oversized engine. But the win stood anyway.

In 1990, Brett Bodine "won" at North Wilkesboro, but -- because of a scoring error -- he wasn't even on the lead lap. You read right. But the win stood anyway. And guess what else? It was the only win of his fucking career! (I think this is the second time that happened; it had happened before in Richmond, and Kyle Petty "won.")

So why doesn't everyone just run a cheater? Fair question. There are other ramifications. They deduct points, they levy fines, they suspend crew chiefs. But the driver still takes home that big fucking trophy and puts it in his case. It's the NASCAR way.
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GuyB wrote:
Asking for a friend?
B DUB 333 wrote:
Guy would you mind explaining what these peds and tou things are? I checked quick on it's like new blood and a bunch of chemicals I've...
Guy would you mind explaining what these peds and tou things are? I checked quick on it's like new blood and a bunch of chemicals I've never heard of. What the heck will fresh blood do?
I believe the new blood thing you're referring to is commonly called blood doping. It's what Lance Armstrong admitted to doing. Basically the athlete goes in as if they are donating blood. That blood is stored and preserved. The body naturally makes up for the loss of blood that was taken. I don't know the exact time frame, but somewhere very close to race day, that blood is put back in the body. This then increases the red blood cell count and allows the body to carry more oxygen in the blood stream. It's only really beneficial for extreme endurance situations and the average person could never tell the difference.

As far a chemicals, there's tons of different things out there that can help. HGH, SARMS, Pro Hormones, and steroids of all different varieties. Some are more difficult to trace than others, different affects, side affects, different half lifes, take your pick.
If you ever choose to go that route, spend a solid 6 months researching before. Know what you're putting into your body and understand how your body is going to react. There's a huge media driven stigma around anabolic steroids that makes them sound like some scary thing and that it will kill you like heroine. Not the case at all, unless abused.
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Fot moto, a big bore 250

For getting laid at sleazy establishments, PEDs

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kkawboy14, my bad, I canned your other two photos...I thought you triple posted then realized after I hit delete that they were different products.
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3/7/2018 11:50am Edited Date/Time 3/7/2018 11:51am
ML512 wrote:
kkawboy14, my bad, I canned your other two photos...I thought you triple posted then realized after I hit delete that they were different products.
It’s all good
3/7/2018 1:36pm
ML512 wrote:
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested. As for big bores...a few bikes actually...
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
"In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class."

Interesting... Cooper Webb..?
3/7/2018 1:36pm
ML512 wrote:
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested. As for big bores...a few bikes actually...
In Supercross, PEDs in 250s as they aren't drug tested like the 450 class. Outdoors, both classes are tested.

As for big bores...a few bikes actually get tore down every couple rounds, I've seen PC and Geico torn down within the last year or so. If you're suspected, you'll be torn down.
I was told there are 2 ways to get away with a big bore kit in AMA racing.

The first is to only run it in the first moto. That was easy to do in the 125cc days.

The other is to zip tie a $100 bill to the spark plug cap in the event of a tear down.

Being "suspected" isnt enough to get busted. Politics matter for both Big Bores & PEDs. After all, if Monster is the title sponsor of the series and your team, you're in good hands.

Now that everyone has advanced electronics, it's not such a big deal but in the early days of the traction control, many teams were upset and protested the advantages Kawi and PC had. Nothing was ever done about it.

I dont know the answer to the OP's question tho.

On one hand the big bore because I put a premium on holeshots. But what good did all those holeshots get Alessi? If Mike had gone down the PED road he likely would have a few championships to his name.

Then again the fastest guy ever on a 125 ran big bore kits and look what it got him, championships and a lot of $$$.

The other OP's question, what good are rules if they arent enforced? They are enforced, when necessary. As in, if a private team or small mfg starts stealing TV time from the guys who pay the bills (Honda, KTM, etc).

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