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Considering they had the best two stroke through the early 2000 era. I think a chase and plastic update is all them bikes need.
What has KTM changed on there bikes in the past 10 years?
KTM have been playing catch up. Took them how long before they got a dam linkage on them.
No doubt the best looking 2 stroke. But I’d take a YZ250 over a KTM any day.
And if RM put out a 2 stroke... they would sell like hot cakes. Why? Because there a newer bike on the market, price and the good reputation the older two strokes had.
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Seroiusly it is an interesting photo, not quite like having a grassy knoll picture but close
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A rebranded RM125 with BNG would not sell. It wasn't as good as the YZ was back when it was discontinued, so there is no reason to think it would be better now. Most racers would buy the KTM, and the RM/YZ would fight over everyone else.
What has KTM done in the past 10 years? Their 125 engine! If your'e racing a 125 (which is what this thread is about), the engine is everything. Always has been, always will be.
I agree though, I personally would buy a YZ250 over a KTM for my personal needs. Then again, I am not lining up for a fictitious 250 2 stroke Supercross series.
A lot of the amateurs are starting to ride 125s instead of going straight 250f to help with the adjustment. Apparently the KTM, Husky and Yamaha kids are all starting to use 125s to learn big bikes and aren’t getting as injured.
AMA took the first step changing the age for 250F's to 14, but the reality is that isn't enough. I think most parents would be thankful if there was more of a transition.
Again I think 2 stroke 125's are a great option, I just don't think a frame/engine kit is the way to go. Especially for folks on a budget.
The only and I mean only way Suzuki would release a 125 is if they were literally plugging the old engine into a new frame as a kit.
Back in the day before they sold the 85L you had to buy the big wheel kit of forks, wheels, swing arm through Cernic’s who would import the parts from Suzuki of England. I bring this up because like it or not- the 125 and 250 scene is far larger in Europe than it is in America.
Kind of makes it sound like the way people used to talk about the works mx bikes of the 80s.
Japanese engineers do not fly to America for nothing.
Suzuki is up to something, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they will ever sell this bike. It's called R&D. Sometimes it results in a new product and sometimes it gets shelved.
As "early" mentioned above, the new RM chassis may have been designed with a shared platform in mind. If so, and I didn't listen to the Pulp show where this kit was discussed,it would make it oh so easy for Suzuki to offer up a "production" kit bike to meet the 400 unit homo rule. Being able to offer one platform to fill 2 roles can't be a bad thing. Considering how close each OEM's bikes are between 250/450 one would have to wonder why they can't share a chassis between those.
I was wondering when I saw the 2019 RMZ250 regarding the exhaust and frame.
Thought a 2 stroke might just fit in.
That would be a smart move using the frame for 125 /250 2 stroke and 250f.
With different tripple clamp you could easily change the geometry of the bike.
I think a surprise will come up for 2020
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The only thing they could improve, like mentioned was putting a linkage in.
And yes I’ve ridden both bikes. Personaly the KTM to a newer rider is going to pick it hands down and say it’s fast due to its bottom end.
But the YZ handles so much better, cheaper, easier to set up and have race ready and the power goes all the way through. It doesn’t fizzle out like the KTM.
That was off topic.
But if Suzuki where to ever put out two strokes. I think they would become more popular then there four stroke range.
And the RM250 was voted best bike of the motocross world in the area of two strokes.
And as well for Goose to say the best bike he’s worked on and easiest to have set up for a rider was that bike. That’s big words.
Easy answer i don't buy any new 4 strokes at all, just rebuild.
A nice 2 stroke other than KTM or YZ i would be in right away.
And i guess many more in my age as well.
PS: Valenti Suzuki the Suzuki dealer who helped them is by the way a very interesting dealer because he also rebuilds 250cc Suzuki to Enduro bikes.
I was confused why honda/yamaha etc use the same frames for 250/450 and Suzuki had just came out with an all new 450 but still designed a whole new frame for their 250 which has the centerport, when their new 450 doesnt.
If you were going to be plugging a 125 into the frame this is exactly the extra steps you would take, that are unnessecary otherwise because you could just use your brand new 450 frame. This is all finally starting to make a whole lotta sense why they did that..
Just brainstorming here; I truly do not have any insider info other than speculation, but you could build a 125-250F-250T with that single frame. Different spring rates and triple clamps, as well as graft the eccentric swingarm pivot over from the 450 and you'd have a fully functional plug-and-play assembly line, like they do in the automotive world.
Of course, you'd need an all-new factory in Japan to do that.
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/suzukis-new-japan-plant-nears-completion-187…
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