Barcia's Crash and the Medical Crew

He was walking so Id say hes probably not paralyzed. The flaggers have sucked, like with mookie. Asterisk is good tho.

Bruised tail bone has been reported.

So, red flag now everytime someone falls off their bike?

Texas Built wrote:

So, red flag now everytime someone falls off their bike?

Vital

This will be fun to read through when I wake up in the morning.

drt410 wrote:

He was walking so Id say hes probably not paralyzed. The flaggers have sucked, like with mookie. Asterisk is good tho.

I'm not sure I would call that walking, as I recall, his legs were dangling as they carried him by the armpits across the track. He was trying to stand on his own at the back of the mule before I returned to watch the race.
I think my main concern would be that they should have taken some more precaution under the circumstances. The flaggers should have had the red cross flag out in both lanes at the least.
Other than that, I really enjoyed the race format, my first time at a Triple Crown event. I think its a lot better format in person, than watching it on TV. The breaks on TV seemed like there were twice as many commercials and made the night drag on. But in person, the breaks were doable, even with the stupid fan competition's.

Texas Built wrote:

So, red flag now everytime someone falls off their bike?

That's not what I'm saying. But if the rider can't get up on his own, and is in a dangerous location like Justin was, I feel the safety of the rider and the medical staff comes first. Did you see the medic crouching down to talk to Justin trying to keep his feet out of the outside lane where everyone was still going at race speeds? I only bring this up because I felt that everyone involve were in a dangerous position on the track and it seemed too rushed to get him off the track without the precautions for what could have been a serious injury. Thankfully just a bruised tailbone maybe.
Too many riders in this sport end up with injuries that may have been made worse by not taking the time to do precautionary measures.

I'm not a regular poster on Vital, but have been a member for along time. I didn't start this thread to stir up a bunch of s***, it was just an observation I made and feel strongly about, having had many of my friends end up with spine injuries.

But if you feel you must, FLAME ON

It's the same as Peicks situation. It takes them two seconds to ask if his neck or back hurts, they might have even seen the accident too to know if he was at risk for a spinal cord injury. They did nothing wrong. These aren't even basic EMTs like they are at local races, a lot of the medical crew is actually doctors, from what I've heard.

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

It's the same as Peicks situation. It takes them two seconds to ask if his neck or back hurts, they might have even seen the accident too to know if he was at risk for a spinal cord injury. They did nothing wrong. These aren't even basic EMTs like they are at local races, a lot of the medical crew is actually doctors, from what I've heard.

So this week it’s possible for the medics to watch a crash and know if there’s a spinal cord injury, but last week not one of us could see that Mookie broke the largest bone in his body.
Gotcha.
Vitarded.

You don’t know what was said between Barcia and the medic before he moved him. I have to get better at not clicking these threads

When I did the Anaheim SX in 1984 they did even have a medical crew. They've come a long way. The medical crew has extensive knowledge and experience with the specific needs required for SX accidents. Without knowing the specifics or hearing the transactions between Barcia and the medical crew, I wouldn't question their actions.

Im sure they would have called for a red flag and put him on a back board had they suspected a serious injury.

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

It's the same as Peicks situation. It takes them two seconds to ask if his neck or back hurts, they might have even seen the accident too to know if he was at risk for a spinal cord injury. They did nothing wrong. These aren't even basic EMTs like they are at local races, a lot of the medical crew is actually doctors, from what I've heard.

I know that Doc Bodnar's team is more than capable of assessing the injuries of the riders. I was just making an observation that the whole situation looked sketchy from the stands, and given the location, it felt to me that the rush to get him off the track and out of dangers way could, and I emphasize could, have been avoided.
At the least the red cross flags should have been flown on both lanes.

And good night to all ;-)

I used to be a lifeguard and we went through constant extensive training. In any situation where a spinal injury was even possible the protocol was to stabilize the neck and backboard the victim using a precise series of predetermined steps. We practiced it monthly.

I was at the race. The way I saw them handle Barcia was so far from the correct protocol. As much as I don’t want to see a red flag that late in a race it was probably the right thing to do...

If it's a bruised tailbone, this week will suck for JB.

Tenacious P wrote:

I used to be a lifeguard and we went through constant extensive training. In any situation where a spinal injury was even possible the protocol was to stabilize the neck and backboard the victim using a precise series of predetermined steps. We practiced it monthly.

I was at the race. The way I saw them handle Barcia was so far from the correct protocol. As much as I don’t want to see a red flag that late in a race it was probably the right thing to do...

Glen Helen would have sent the flaggers home and rerouted them around the accident.

Tenacious P wrote:

I used to be a lifeguard and we went through constant extensive training. In any situation where a spinal injury was even possible the protocol was to stabilize the neck and backboard the victim using a precise series of predetermined steps. We practiced it monthly.

I was at the race. The way I saw them handle Barcia was so far from the correct protocol. As much as I don’t want to see a red flag that late in a race it was probably the right thing to do...

500guy wrote:

Glen Helen would have sent the flaggers home and rerouted them around the accident.

Can you imagine the conniption fit Bud would've thrown watching them drag Barcia off the track without him high five one spectator?

When a racer crashes and is laying on the track, protect him with a Tuff Block. Until you can get other help to manage the situation. Are these flaggers old, or out of shape? I know they used to be volunteer, they need some that can move and react faster! What a joke!

Tenacious P wrote:

I used to be a lifeguard and we went through constant extensive training. In any situation where a spinal injury was even possible the protocol was to stabilize the neck and backboard the victim using a precise series of predetermined steps. We practiced it monthly.

I was at the race. The way I saw them handle Barcia was so far from the correct protocol. As much as I don’t want to see a red flag that late in a race it was probably the right thing to do...

500guy wrote:

Glen Helen would have sent the flaggers home and rerouted them around the accident.

slipdog wrote:

Can you imagine the conniption fit Bud would've thrown watching them drag Barcia off the track without him high five one spectator?

gloverxc wrote:

When a racer crashes and is laying on the track, protect him with a Tuff Block. Until you can get other help to manage the situation. Are these flaggers old, or out of shape? I know they used to be volunteer, they need some that can move and react faster! What a joke!

$9 hr dont get much. Lol.

I love Vital medical response threads.

So he got a Villo? That injury ended RV's career...

This sucks, 4 guys in 3 weeks...but the racing has been awesome bc the favorites are not off to blazing start, 3 different winners in 3 weeks, non of the favorites winning yet, means we will probably have 6-7 winners this year.

I hope Barcia is okay and can back to racing soon.

drt410 wrote:

He was walking so Id say hes probably not paralyzed. The flaggers have sucked, like with mookie. Asterisk is good tho.

Probably.

When I saw him exit the stadium, he was sitting up in the rear seat on the mule, not on a backboard.

Sir Roostsalot wrote:

If it's a bruised tailbone, this week will suck for JB.

Yeah ive bruised my tailbone playing hockey.. and fuck that noise it sucks so bad

Tenacious P wrote:

I used to be a lifeguard and we went through constant extensive training. In any situation where a spinal injury was even possible the protocol was to stabilize the neck and backboard the victim using a precise series of predetermined steps. We practiced it monthly.

I was at the race. The way I saw them handle Barcia was so far from the correct protocol. As much as I don’t want to see a red flag that late in a race it was probably the right thing to do...

Agree 100%. Looked like he was down for quite awhile and from the look on face as they practically drug him off the track, at minimum, a ride on the mule seemed in order, at least to me.

Barcia would have communicated his wishes - this thread is pathetic.

I'd bet it went along the lines
"Lets get you a backboard - just to be safe"
"Fuck you im walking"
"Come on justin, you never know"
"Im fine - im fine, i'll be fine"
"Well how about we help you walk"
"fine"'

"Shit I cant walk easily - and Im in the race track in the way - carry me!"

"we told you so"

The medical crew the sport is blessed with does a great job.

Compare it to what these guys have on practice day - and no on here has any reason to bitch.
If your broken - your broken. Back, neck, etc you are on a race track with dirt, jumps, mud etc. Red flag or not - getting out of that situation isn't the same as being at a football game.

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

It's the same as Peicks situation. It takes them two seconds to ask if his neck or back hurts, they might have even seen the accident too to know if he was at risk for a spinal cord injury. They did nothing wrong. These aren't even basic EMTs like they are at local races, a lot of the medical crew is actually doctors, from what I've heard.

sirsparki wrote:

I know that Doc Bodnar's team is more than capable of assessing the injuries of the riders. I was just making an observation that the whole situation looked sketchy from the stands, and given the location, it felt to me that the rush to get him off the track and out of dangers way could, and I emphasize could, have been avoided.
At the least the red cross flags should have been flown on both lanes.

And good night to all ;-)

How long have you been a paramedic? How many patient assessments have you performed?

Having fractured my tailbone I can honestly say it sucks to do anything at all besides lay on your stomach.