Barcia and Tom Danielson

dustintlee
Edited Date/Time 4/12/2016 5:57pm
Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to be hanging around with Tom Danielson?

Danielson, Barcia's new cycling/training/mentor/man friend guy has tested positive twice for doping in pro cycling. First time, he got a reduced sentence for ratting out everyone else, inc. Lance Armstrong. Second time (last august), he was kicked from his cycling team.

Why would Barcia want to associate with this guy? There are plenty of great cyclists that didn't dope that he could train with. And do you think that Barcia will (or should) undergo more scrutiny by USADA/WADA/whatever because of his association with a multiple time cheater?


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It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery.

He also rides in a series that's tested by WADA. Apparently it's not an issue for him.

From my seat, it looks like you're just trying to throw a little shade his way.
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Barcia knows the rules and knows the repercussions . Just becuse someone he knows does something does not mean he will .
dustintlee 4/11/2016 7:36pm
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sorry GuyB, not trying to throw shade at Barcia at all. He's not my favorite racer, nor do I dislike him. Feelings are neutral. I just don't understand the desire to pair up with Danielson or anyone else who might cause you to be under the microscope more than others.
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dustintlee wrote:
sorry GuyB, not trying to throw shade at Barcia at all. He's not my favorite racer, nor do I dislike him. Feelings are neutral. I just...
sorry GuyB, not trying to throw shade at Barcia at all. He's not my favorite racer, nor do I dislike him. Feelings are neutral. I just don't understand the desire to pair up with Danielson or anyone else who might cause you to be under the microscope more than others.
Here's an interesting article from VeloNews. http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-d…

The comments from both Levi and Tom are interesting.

Tom was under the AutoTrader.com/Toyota/Monster/Yamaha awning in Santa Clara.

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51xc 4/11/2016 7:50pm
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people make mistakes in life, that surely doesn't mean they are bad humans.

i may be biased because i am a bambam fan but i also know very well how cycling has worked for over a decade. tom doesn't strike me as a bad teacher/ trainer, he may be more anti-doping at this point of his life than most trainers/ athletes that used it and never got caught.

he seems like a great addition to justins program. he obviously loves cycling and both know each other for a while now. it just makes sense. surely justin will know that those questions may come up but barcia is not one to be talked out of something he believes in.
dustintlee 4/11/2016 7:58pm
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True, people deserve the benefit of the doubt. I've received it more than once myself. I just find it a bit strange is all. Not that they pick cycling coaches. They are incredible athletes, whether clean or not. And hopefully Danielson is anti-doping at this point.
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I knew we at vital were gonna decide when bubba has to hang up his boots. But I had no idea we could tell Barcia who he could train with.

This should be fun!


dustintlee 4/11/2016 8:13pm
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Chains wrote:
I knew we at vital were gonna decide when bubba has to hang up his boots. But I had no idea we could tell Barcia who...
I knew we at vital were gonna decide when bubba has to hang up his boots. But I had no idea we could tell Barcia who he could train with.

This should be fun!


Better save that popcorn, nothing like that was claimed. I was trying to understand his choice is all. Sorry to disappoint you.
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It's not as if though the OP is coming 'straight outta left field' here. I've had to cut life-long friends out of my life due to their aberrant behavior----and kicked two business partners to the curb for their professional misconduct (one of whom lost his law license over it). It was painful to separate and move on, but my OWN reputation needed to be protected. My old man used to say, "you are judged by the company you keep." That said, he's grown damn man and can do as he pleases. I'm a JB51 fan, so don't start with me about being a hater...
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You don't see Dungey in his yellow live strong. Gear anymore.
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Top tier cycling has many that bend the rules and cheat the test.
Marco Pantani cheated before Armstrong it was even in his bio pic. But they wanted to out Armstrong even with him passing test.
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Imo every pro cyclists at the Sharp end of the field is on something. It s only when tests catch up to what there taking , then someone gets busted . Then they use another drug . That doesn't show up . Again imo there has nt been a clean tour de France winner in over 20 yrs . you want to win you need to drug .
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GuyB wrote:
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery...
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery.

He also rides in a series that's tested by WADA. Apparently it's not an issue for him.

From my seat, it looks like you're just trying to throw a little shade his way.
What "Works for Justin"? The hanging out with a doper?
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GuyB wrote:
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery...
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery.

He also rides in a series that's tested by WADA. Apparently it's not an issue for him.

From my seat, it looks like you're just trying to throw a little shade his way.
moto0852 wrote:
What "Works for Justin"? The hanging out with a doper?
believe it or not but you may work together with people that have broken the law, hell - maybe been to prison. does that make you automatically a criminal?
(I'm not saying tom is a criminal. just saying befor people trying to twist things around!!!!)
DrinkMoreWater 4/11/2016 9:36pm
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Watch Joe Rogans podcast with Lance Armstrong to have a better.understanding of doping and cheating in sports.
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GuyB wrote:
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery...
It works for Justin, and he putting in some hard miles of training both before the season, and while he was out with his thumb surgery.

He also rides in a series that's tested by WADA. Apparently it's not an issue for him.

From my seat, it looks like you're just trying to throw a little shade his way.
moto0852 wrote:
What "Works for Justin"? The hanging out with a doper?
51xc wrote:
believe it or not but you may work together with people that have broken the law, hell - maybe been to prison. does that make you...
believe it or not but you may work together with people that have broken the law, hell - maybe been to prison. does that make you automatically a criminal?
(I'm not saying tom is a criminal. just saying befor people trying to twist things around!!!!)
I was told today, that we won't be seeing Danielson at the races with Justin again.
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OR Racer46 wrote:
You don't see Dungey in his yellow live strong. Gear anymore.
Dungey hasn't been associated with Livestrong since his last contract with Nike ended.
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moto0852 wrote:
What "Works for Justin"? The hanging out with a doper?
What works for him? Having a skilled rider who knows how to train as a coach.

It's obviously not the part where every dimwit who thinks they're being clever gets to toss accusations his way.

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ML512 wrote:
I was told today, that we won't be seeing Danielson at the races with Justin again.
as i said in a different thread, I don't think tom is acting as bambams trainer as a aldon baker does for example, overlooking a complete program tailored for sx/mx. he is coaching justin on the bicycle because that what barcia loves to do for his endurance/ cross training. so tom being with the team at santa clara was more of a insight for danielson i would say. but obviously you hear things and i just try to pay attention to whats written in the interviews etc. but yeah, i would also understand that jgr may not want to be connected to 'doping' in any case. it's their business after all.
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dustintlee wrote:
Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to be hanging around with Tom Danielson? Danielson, Barcia's new cycling/training/mentor/man friend guy has tested positive...
Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to be hanging around with Tom Danielson?

Danielson, Barcia's new cycling/training/mentor/man friend guy has tested positive twice for doping in pro cycling. First time, he got a reduced sentence for ratting out everyone else, inc. Lance Armstrong. Second time (last august), he was kicked from his cycling team.

Why would Barcia want to associate with this guy? There are plenty of great cyclists that didn't dope that he could train with. And do you think that Barcia will (or should) undergo more scrutiny by USADA/WADA/whatever because of his association with a multiple time cheater?


Last I heard Barcia was a grown man that has the ability to make his own decisions. Barcia knows the rules pertaining to PEDs.
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51xc 4/12/2016 2:20am
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different question: before tom he trained with omara. does anybody know why that stopped? i know that omara is pretty ridiculous with the workload he is asking of his athletes and some will simply overtrain. but never really read why they stopped working together.
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moto0852 wrote:
What "Works for Justin"? The hanging out with a doper?
51xc wrote:
believe it or not but you may work together with people that have broken the law, hell - maybe been to prison. does that make you...
believe it or not but you may work together with people that have broken the law, hell - maybe been to prison. does that make you automatically a criminal?
(I'm not saying tom is a criminal. just saying befor people trying to twist things around!!!!)
ML512 wrote:
I was told today, that we won't be seeing Danielson at the races with Justin again.
Is it a strange coincidence that this is a thread today and that you were told today that he won't be under their tent anymore?
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dustintlee wrote:
Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to be hanging around with Tom Danielson? Danielson, Barcia's new cycling/training/mentor/man friend guy has tested positive...
Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to be hanging around with Tom Danielson?

Danielson, Barcia's new cycling/training/mentor/man friend guy has tested positive twice for doping in pro cycling. First time, he got a reduced sentence for ratting out everyone else, inc. Lance Armstrong. Second time (last august), he was kicked from his cycling team.

Why would Barcia want to associate with this guy? There are plenty of great cyclists that didn't dope that he could train with. And do you think that Barcia will (or should) undergo more scrutiny by USADA/WADA/whatever because of his association with a multiple time cheater?


''There are plenty of great cyclist that didn't dope''.

If you look at the doping history during the timeframe of Danielson's career it will be very hard to find a cyclist from that level that has not been implicated with doping.

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Mit12 wrote:
Last I heard Barcia was a grown man that has the ability to make his own decisions. Barcia knows the rules pertaining to PEDs.
Agreed.

Having said that, i would not pick a trainer that has been popped for doping twice in recent years. There are loads of good trainers out there without the doping assocation, and i'm certain also a couple who are also a good match for you personally.

What would be the reason to actually go for Danielson? Are they like longtime friends or something like that?
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I think the real mistake is allowing WADA/USADA into the sport. Possibly worse than letting the FIM into the sport.
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IWreckALot wrote:
I think the real mistake is allowing WADA/USADA into the sport. Possibly worse than letting the FIM into the sport.
^^^^^ agreed!
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Rowlands 4/12/2016 5:15am
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It takes two people to dope. The doper and the athlete, pretty sure BamBam isn't foolish enough to be tricked into doping.
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mxdude105 4/12/2016 5:55am
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Whatever happened to Antunez? He and Barcia were having great results last summer.

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