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11/10/2019 12:55am
11/10/2019 12:55am
Good interview with Swap. Says trying to change his riding style just hasn't worked for him, so now the plan of attack is less power to make the bike handle better when riding aggressively.
A tuned up 350 is what he needs.
A tuned up 350 is what he needs.
Barcia: 1st with he says a stock motor and chassis on what we call the "blue pig".
Savatgy: 2nd running a stock motor with exhaust and suspension bits on the bike we say is too outdated.
Friese: 3rd with an off-the-dealer-floor vanilla Honda.
And then there are all of us Vital goofballs worrying about whether engine mounts, or ti footpegs, or factory editions will make the difference at the local track.
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Barcia needs to sort his shit out and fast, because Yamaha need results, AP has been a disappointment, i expected more based on his 250 form , injury hasnt helped , but i think they are both up at the end of 2020.
Extra HP's help in practice qualifying when the tracks are deep...but for the most part, a stock motor is plenty.
A 450 probably has between 54 and 59 HP stock (sorry, I don't really keep up / memorize individual bike dyno graphs nowadays), with a shed load of Torque.
Barcia is a revver - he says he just can't change that. A Leopard, that has tried, but can't change his spots.
Fair enough.
Now, him running higher revs than others, with so bloody much power available with Stockers now, might just give him the same power at the rear wheel as a bloke with a modified engine, but running far lower revs. Pretty logical, really.
450s - even the best riders are generally just moving power around to suit Them . To make them controllable for Them .
Heck, I recently had the chance to ride a mates YZF450F ( and a YZ250F), with various settings via his Mobile phone. It was quite something to experience the differences that could be attained by just a minute or two on a 'phone. Even when ridden by a sit down nearly all the damned time, barely get off the ground, (very) slow old man. Every bloody bike should be so easily tuned - I wonder why other manufacturers have not gone that route? Perhaps Yamaha has locked it up via patents, or some such?
Pit Row
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Seriously, though, the fact that you guys used a stock engine would prove your point more if that resulted in some sort of quantifiable success over using a modded engine. But given all the variables, that's pretty impossible to do.
If a stock engine was truly better for most of the top pros, they'd likely be running them and concentrating most of their mechanical efforts on reliability and longevity. But if you aren't actually racing inside the top 20 each and every weekend, stock could make a ton of sense, especially if the bike you are running has stock power delivery that matches your rider's preferences.
As for Barcia, I'd love to see him try a 250F at a standard SX. The start would be the only issue for him, I think. But if he's not holeshotting every main, the tradeoff may very well be worth it.
Tho, I'd add this...I'm not as harsh on my "7" judgements. I'm of the mindset that he's still got time to get the 450 results he wants.
As you recall, from your hinting...the following year he really was on a -STOCK- bike and some of us...especially a certain Gothic Guy...scrambled to get him what few works chassis components we could for him. That year, 2013?, he had a bit of a challenge getting the gearing right at the first few SXs due to being so accustomed to the RCF gears/motor. That's the year he paid his own way into the SX season and I believe it was Mike K who threw in a rig and some personnel.
Good times.
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