Barcia

motomike137 wrote:

Justin will surprise you naysayers when A1 rolls around!

Racer111 wrote:

That’s what we have heard every year for the last 7 years. 🙄🙄

philG wrote:

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was...

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was RC , but it didnt mattet cos he could win on whatever was put under him.

The chatter about GP rides was just that, i recall Suzuki trying to use it to attract sponsors and they failed and went with Jasikonis.

Its a dilemma, cos on his day he can be fast, but that day might be a wednesday. Over a season i dont see him being a regulat top 5 guy.

GPrider wrote:

I'll say it, its the bike. I bet Reed will finish higher next year on the honda

philG wrote:

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was...

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was RC , but it didnt mattet cos he could win on whatever was put under him.

The chatter about GP rides was just that, i recall Suzuki trying to use it to attract sponsors and they failed and went with Jasikonis.

Its a dilemma, cos on his day he can be fast, but that day might be a wednesday. Over a season i dont see him being a regulat top 5 guy.

seth505 wrote:

I just don't understand the "he's good but not good enough" in this example. The simple math doesn't support it. Let's show a conservative # on...

I just don't understand the "he's good but not good enough" in this example. The simple math doesn't support it.

Let's show a conservative # on the amount of people on factory equipment.
Honda -2
Yamaha -2
KTM -4
Suzuki -1
Husky -2
Kawi -2
Total = 13

Eleven people and only one can win a championship. So what is the solution?
A] Every year, 12 of the 13 factory riders should be fired?
B] Every team only employs one factory rider, so then all 6 have a good chance to finish top 5 and validate their
position?
C] ?

Excaliburbmx wrote:

What about Kawasaki?

Huckster wrote:

Kevin Windham, Tim Ferry, DV12, John Dowd, Reynard....not to mention that he is 2yrs younger than MM25 who has also not won a big bike title

Looby321 wrote:

Comparing Barcia to MM is laughable to say the least and I’m a NY’er!

Huckster wrote:

Not comparing. Stating facts based off the dudes question.

Looby321 wrote:

Comparing Barcia to MM is laughable to say the least and I’m a NY’er!

Huckster wrote:

Not comparing. Stating facts based off the dudes question.

Racer111 wrote:

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before...

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before tomorrow morning.

philG wrote:

He left Honda after not delivering, went to JGR , did the same , and is sat Yamaha because Millsaps got hurt and Webb left. Been...

He left Honda after not delivering, went to JGR , did the same , and is sat Yamaha because Millsaps got hurt and Webb left. Been the same story at all of them...

Huckster wrote:

Yes You're right if you call 2 lites sx titles, multiple top 3 outdoor 250 series finishes, 2 450 SX wins and multiple outdoor wins/podiums and...

Yes You're right if you call 2 lites sx titles, multiple top 3 outdoor 250 series finishes, 2 450 SX wins and multiple outdoor wins/podiums and top 5 O/A’s not performing.

philG wrote:

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards...

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards, like he has since with other rides. If he had been performing at Honda do you think they would have let him go... it seems like a pattern to me.. and at Honda he wasnt the main man, he had someone to crib off.

Looby321 wrote:

Comparing Barcia to MM is laughable to say the least and I’m a NY’er!

Huckster wrote:

Not comparing. Stating facts based off the dudes question.

Racer111 wrote:

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before...

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before tomorrow morning.

philG wrote:

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was...

He can ride, but its not enough . With a factory ride comes factory responsibilities, and he isnt team leader material.. to be fair .neither was RC , but it didnt mattet cos he could win on whatever was put under him.

The chatter about GP rides was just that, i recall Suzuki trying to use it to attract sponsors and they failed and went with Jasikonis.

Its a dilemma, cos on his day he can be fast, but that day might be a wednesday. Over a season i dont see him being a regulat top 5 guy.

seth505 wrote:

I just don't understand the "he's good but not good enough" in this example. The simple math doesn't support it. Let's show a conservative # on...

I just don't understand the "he's good but not good enough" in this example. The simple math doesn't support it.

Let's show a conservative # on the amount of people on factory equipment.
Honda -2
Yamaha -2
KTM -4
Suzuki -1
Husky -2
Kawi -2
Total = 13

Eleven people and only one can win a championship. So what is the solution?
A] Every year, 12 of the 13 factory riders should be fired?
B] Every team only employs one factory rider, so then all 6 have a good chance to finish top 5 and validate their
position?
C] ?

Huckster wrote:

Not comparing. Stating facts based off the dudes question.

Racer111 wrote:

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before...

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before tomorrow morning.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics...

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics to your “fact”.

People thinking he doesn’t deserve a factory ride is mind numbing

Racer111 wrote:

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before...

Here is a fact for you. If Barcia got fired today, he wouldn’t have ride tomorrow. If Musquin left KTM today, he’d have 3-4 offers before tomorrow morning.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics...

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics to your “fact”.

People thinking he doesn’t deserve a factory ride is mind numbing

Racer111 wrote:

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and...

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and flowed up that win with nothing. And the win was not a typical win. It was a complete mudder. If the track had been normal conditions I don’t think he would have won. Just my opinion.

Huckster wrote:

Yes You're right if you call 2 lites sx titles, multiple top 3 outdoor 250 series finishes, 2 450 SX wins and multiple outdoor wins/podiums and...

Yes You're right if you call 2 lites sx titles, multiple top 3 outdoor 250 series finishes, 2 450 SX wins and multiple outdoor wins/podiums and top 5 O/A’s not performing.

philG wrote:

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards...

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards, like he has since with other rides. If he had been performing at Honda do you think they would have let him go... it seems like a pattern to me.. and at Honda he wasnt the main man, he had someone to crib off.

Press516 wrote:

The same Honda that let Tomac go? That statement doesn't hold water...

Johnny Ringo wrote:

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics...

We get it, you hate barcia. But, I do not see 3-4 teams that would hire marv this second. I notice you didn’t add any specifics to your “fact”.

People thinking he doesn’t deserve a factory ride is mind numbing

Racer111 wrote:

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and...

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and flowed up that win with nothing. And the win was not a typical win. It was a complete mudder. If the track had been normal conditions I don’t think he would have won. Just my opinion.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

How many Supercrosses did Savatgy, Dean, Anderson, Bogle, Zacho, Plessinger, roczen, and Seely win last year? Do they deserve factory rides? People still argue that Bogle...

How many Supercrosses did Savatgy, Dean, Anderson, Bogle, Zacho, Plessinger, roczen, and Seely win last year? Do they deserve factory rides?

People still argue that Bogle deserves a ride because he won a race like 4 years ago. Better yet, who deserves the Yamaha ride over Barcia?

Also, I noticed you didn’t back up your “fact” about Marvin. Still waiting on what 4 teams would hire him this second.

Racer111 wrote:

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and...

I don’t hate any rider. I just don’t believe Barcia is Factory material any longer. His stats prove that. He won A race last year and flowed up that win with nothing. And the win was not a typical win. It was a complete mudder. If the track had been normal conditions I don’t think he would have won. Just my opinion.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

How many Supercrosses did Savatgy, Dean, Anderson, Bogle, Zacho, Plessinger, roczen, and Seely win last year? Do they deserve factory rides? People still argue that Bogle...

How many Supercrosses did Savatgy, Dean, Anderson, Bogle, Zacho, Plessinger, roczen, and Seely win last year? Do they deserve factory rides?

People still argue that Bogle deserves a ride because he won a race like 4 years ago. Better yet, who deserves the Yamaha ride over Barcia?

Also, I noticed you didn’t back up your “fact” about Marvin. Still waiting on what 4 teams would hire him this second.

Racer111 wrote:

It’s common sense. Musquin is a threat to win anytime the gate drops. He’s always up front. Same for Roczen. Even if they don’t win, they...

It’s common sense. Musquin is a threat to win anytime the gate drops. He’s always up front. Same for Roczen. Even if they don’t win, they are fighting for the win. They run UP FRONT Indoors and out. Barcia doesn’t. End of story.

philG wrote:

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards...

250 stuff indoors is half the riders at half the races.. and when he went 450 he came in with a bang and worked himself backwards, like he has since with other rides. If he had been performing at Honda do you think they would have let him go... it seems like a pattern to me.. and at Honda he wasnt the main man, he had someone to crib off.

Press516 wrote:

The same Honda that let Tomac go? That statement doesn't hold water...

philG wrote:

They didnt let Eli go, Kawi paid big

kage173 wrote:

Justin has had a decent career, but he certainly did not become the 450 champion he seemed destined to be. All in all, he'll be fine...

Justin has had a decent career, but he certainly did not become the 450 champion he seemed destined to be.

All in all, he'll be fine and he deserves a factory ride, but I think he is one of those guys like Kevin Windham, Davi Millsaps, Trey Canard, Travis Pastrana, Robbie Reynard, Damon Bradshaw, etc... that serve as examples of exactly how hard it is to win a 450 championship.