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Basically he blames the race day schedule. Pretty good explanation i think. From RacerX interview:
“ I think that when it starts out super muddy like that, and then of course when you’re going for qualifying times, everybody will take that same line because the mud is getting pushed out of it. It gets down to the hard base, and that’s the fastest line. I think everybody across both classes would agree. So when there’s not just a practice to just get grooves in and get everything kind of lined out, then it just gets that one line. It does make it difficult. The top tree turn, there was the inside line and then there was a middle muck line. I kept trying the middle the whole first moto and kept losing spots. Then the second moto I was able to make it work, but really I think everybody would agree that the inside was by far dominant all day. When I rode with Zach and we rode at Aldon’s or we rode here, we would spend the first 20 minutes of the day getting multiple lines going, and there’s ten of you guys. You can get them all going, and that’s kind of what we do. At the race when it’s a lap time battle, you’re going to go to the best line and try to murder it and hit it as fast as you can because it’s qualifying time. So I think it’s just the way that the schedule is laid out and the way the race format goes. It gets one-lined because of the way qualifying is set up.”
https://racerxonline.com/2020/09/09/between-the-motos-baggett-and-osborne
So should anything be changed to make the tracks and racing better?
“ I think that when it starts out super muddy like that, and then of course when you’re going for qualifying times, everybody will take that same line because the mud is getting pushed out of it. It gets down to the hard base, and that’s the fastest line. I think everybody across both classes would agree. So when there’s not just a practice to just get grooves in and get everything kind of lined out, then it just gets that one line. It does make it difficult. The top tree turn, there was the inside line and then there was a middle muck line. I kept trying the middle the whole first moto and kept losing spots. Then the second moto I was able to make it work, but really I think everybody would agree that the inside was by far dominant all day. When I rode with Zach and we rode at Aldon’s or we rode here, we would spend the first 20 minutes of the day getting multiple lines going, and there’s ten of you guys. You can get them all going, and that’s kind of what we do. At the race when it’s a lap time battle, you’re going to go to the best line and try to murder it and hit it as fast as you can because it’s qualifying time. So I think it’s just the way that the schedule is laid out and the way the race format goes. It gets one-lined because of the way qualifying is set up.”
https://racerxonline.com/2020/09/09/between-the-motos-baggett-and-osborne
So should anything be changed to make the tracks and racing better?
I think it is even somewhat evident at the local level when you have 15 mins of practice in the morning on a wet track before races start.
Same thing happens at the public practice tracks during the week, most guys wait out the first hour before they go out because shit is too deep.
They don’t do this in MXGP, and most of the time there are three fast lines that develop.
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However at least there are options for the races.
The only other approach is knocking all the lines down and grooming the track post qualifying. Then let the lines develop in a racing situation and don’t touch it again for the rest of the day.Trouble is the schedule doesn’t give much time for that.
I’d like to see qualifying held the day before with a fresh track on race day. If the tracks not groomed at all in between motos, it’s rare that the fast lines at the start of the day are fast by the end of day. Technical and creative riders usually excel in those conditions.
All the teams are already there and set up and it gives more time for track and bike maintenance. In fact it gives everyone more time including the organisations involved, as well as a few extra sales for qualifying day.
Not sure why it’s not scheduled that way? Obviously something I’m overlooking or not aware of.
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I'd say the amateur races are a great earner for both MX Sports and the Track owner. Fair enough.
It's Absolutely understandable, but, I wish they'd have the Ams Thursday, or the Sunday /Monday, after the event. Leave Friday and Saturday for the Pros, and, whatever 'special' races they have to run with them.
It seems most Teams and Privateers, are at Nationals by Thursday, so they are there for Friday anyway. It's generally, not extending their time there, or taking a day from them.
The MXGPs lately, with the single day for MX2 and MXGP classes and now EMX the day before - are getting mixed reviews from riders. Some love the one day (generally because what they have come from, such as the Aussies) format, some prefer the 2 day format.
I have long wanted it to go back to multiple free practice and Timed Qualifying sessions, like it was years ago.
The qualifying race really brings a shed load more risk ( but hey, Herlings just axed himself in untimed practice - ours Is a risky sport, no matter what) , and, it can get processional. I find practice / Timed sessions in many racing sports, really, really interesting, if filmed and organised well. Heck, I stay up for the US practice, then go to bed and watch the Motos later - most often, already knowing the results of the races.
Granted if there are 8 lines through every corner it’s going to make the racing better no doubt as lines change and become gnarlier or stay smoother...
They rip it too deep and water it too much on race day. It’s really that simple.
Most timed qualifiers have been a slop fest. It’s been like that for years. So naturally one fast line develops through the slop and everyone takes it.
There is hardly anymore creativity by the riders like there used to be. They get in the fast line and that’s it. No more sweeping into a corner. Hardly anymore setting someone up and squaring a corner up.
Water less and don’t rip as deep, and if you still have to over water and rip deep then atleast re-rip the corners before each moto that have 8 ruts but only one fast line. Do this before motos. Let them start with a clean smooth corner. So lines can then develop again during the moto.
I’m of the belief that you shouldn’t touch many things between races so the track is rutted and rough, but something should be done to help develop more then just one fast line through a sloppy mess.
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