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Getting some Altas will help with this too, may not need as much land to reduce noise.
Also, Noise isnt bad. A Harley is loud, and annoying as hell same as some crappy car with a wing and no muffler.. A Ferrari is loud, and people love it. Nobody is bitching at a guy in a Berlinetta V12.
4 stroke noise is annoying. Not sure why, but compared to two strokes, it is. Not sure if its the tone, or pitch, or what, but its not "Loud" or Noise" that piss people off.
But i'm 3-5 years out on my next bike and once the Japanese ramp up this technology things are going to get interesting/affordable.
Being first-to-market usually comes with very high cost. (I know... Zero and KTM... but the ALTA MX seemed to be on a whole other level)
I am an absolute engine geek to to point that it's become my career, and I don't want to see the whole sport go electric, but I have no problem with them being around. I'd love to own one alongside side my 4st and 2st bikes so I can choose to ride whatever I feel like. There are "less than legal" area where you're chased out of on a loud ICE bike, but no one would ever even know you were there on an EV.
As the racing rules and regulations around electric bikes become more solidified and we figure out how to make sure the playing field remains even between ICE and EVs I hope to be able to watch some more technological competition in the pro ranks, which will trickle down into our bikes.
The Shop
or do you deny they are the lowest cost mx engine to maintain?
consider where theyd be with the 20 yrs of 4t development..
you could tune them as low end monsters or top end big hp screamers and everything in between..
and they could still only cost a few hundred dollars to fully rebuild...
why was alta held out..coombes and the big oems who own him..
a 450 4t sound probably travels twice the distant a 125 2t does and the 4 t penetrates walls.
its fcking hilarious to read these bozos who relate the noise to their masculinity...and thats what it is..
They did not sell in numbers to make them viable , Suzuki gave up in 85 , Yamaha stopped spending money on them in 86, kawi 89 And Honda 91 , not even Ktm who make money on smaller production numbers , gave up on 500s in the early 90s and even gave up on the 380 15 years ago
That’s a real shame.
https://www.cyclenews.com/2017/10/article/stefan-pierer-outlines-ktms-m…
As far as no interest, let them bring back an Open class and drop the production rule, and this sport will see a major resurgence that will rise all tides, 2t, 4t and e-bikes. Settle it on the track.
Pit Row
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpKVA1OhD4l/?taken-by=cyclenews
Look, I love my two strokes as much as anyone, but some of you guys are just out of control shooting down anything that's not an outdated turd with a spaghetti frame. Altas made two strokes look like overcomplicated Goldburg machines by mechanical comparison, there's no denying that.
Ran RC nitros with my brother, got pissy cause they were a PIA and bought an e-trug.
Was helping him at the track at a race, and 20 nitros were firing up under the driver's stand and I told him "My e-trug is easier to mess with, but there's virtually no excitement without the noise,smell, smoke of nitro."
I would buy an ALTA as soon as they were affordable, but I do agree that at the end of the day, they'll absolutely ruin the whole atmosphere of competitive racing.
Wasn't it GM that said they were no longer going to build IC engines by 2025? I'm telling ya - the days of any sort of IC motorcycle are numbered. We literally have less than a decade of the sounds of motorcycles roaring off the start - pretty soon it will be the whirr of batteries. Once the tech gets cheaper, the OEMs will start making them, push their factory riders onto them, and you can turn out the lights.
There are cooling solutions available, but require major redesign and cost. It's good enough for weekend warriors for MX, but not good enough for Pro's yet without major support. You can't even buy a spare battery at this point, none available. If KTM brings in development dollars that could take it to another level. At this point, this is likely why you didn't see Alta fighting too hard for homologation, it was better to be the underdog than actually put it on the track for 30 minutes and be embarrassed.
Also from what I've heard from track owners is the 4 stroke noise carries further is the problem (at least that's what the complaining neighbors argue). 2 strokes are loud too but the pitch of the 4 stroke is heard further away.
Keep race cars etc. gas, make everyday cars electric.
Forget the non-motorcycling public, we do a fantastic job of shitting all over each other. Ride a Harley? Get fucked. Oh you are into crotch rockets? Squid! Motobro? Grow up 909'er. Hipster ass on the hooligan bike cut your hair. Yo electric company, you have no soul eat shit. AND SO ON.
Motorcycling in the United States is a dying industry and partly because the people that partake in it barely muster support for the one tiny discipline they might enjoy, and then have a good time turning their noses up to the rest.
Sad to watch.
I work in the video game / esports industry now, which is MASSIVE beyond belief, and most of the people I work with from pro players to industry workers look at me like I'm a throwback caveman because I ride motorcycles.
My garage has two strokes, four strokes, dual sports, roadracers, supermotos, mx bikes, and trials bikes in it, and they all are a damn good time to ride. I got to ride Alta's a bit, and they too were fantastically fun motorcycles that perfectly fit the needs for many riders.
Sad day for the industry and all those who worked hard on the Alta team (many of which I know). I've decided to drive up to Straight Rhythm tonight because 1) I love two strokes and 2) I wanna root on the Alta team one more time, many of which are there, without pay, helping Darryn out.
Respect.
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