At what age does a dirtbike become....

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10/21/2019 6:22 PM

A Classic
A Vintage
A Antique

I'm Curious because my bike is approaching 20yrs old (01 250f) and the other bike is a (04 crf250f) both first gen models.

so at what point do they cross the title threshold from old to classic to etc?

Only thing ive found that somewhat explains it is (https://blog.chopperexchange.com/motorcycle-life/the-difference-between-classic-vintage-and-antique-motorcycles/) However they're talking about road motorcycle's and not dirtbikes.

How long before a bike is deemed a classic or antique or vintage?

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"Life is Too Short To Last Long"

10/21/2019 6:32 PM

Sounds familiar! I have a 01 YZ250F and a 2004 CRF250 as well. I was waiting for mine to be 10 years old so I could race it in the De axe. Lass but was off to different things by then.

Any trick bits on your YZF?

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10/21/2019 11:57 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/22/2019 12:49 AM

It really is based on evolutionary points in development. Current vintage classes are based on "fence posts" in dirt bike development, in that once you cross that "post" you are now too advantaged to race against the previous:

They are, In order:


  • Rear Suspension
  • Unitized engine construction
  • Tuned Pipes
  • Reed Valves
  • Long travel suspension
  • Rising-rate suspension
  • (linkages)
  • Liquid Cooling/Disc Brakes
  • Exhaust Valves
  • Cartridge suspension
  • Modern Ergos


  • "Fence posts" yet to be added to the Vintage classes, but I suspect are next:

  • Modern short-stroke 4 strokes
  • Fuel Injection


  • Age of bike is not so much a consideration. One can go purchase a 2020 Royal Enfield and qualify to race in most vintage classes.
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    10/22/2019 3:30 AM

    Do you guys like those 01 yz 250fs ? I know the first model weighed in the 225 lb. range.

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    10/22/2019 3:45 AM
    Edited Date/Time: 10/22/2019 4:12 AM

    This is what I've kinda heard thru the years.

    1929 HD put the firstfront brake on a motorcycle. 1928 and earlier are antiques.

    Up to 1974, vintage.

    1975 to 1995 PV, or post vintage.

    This is by dates, and some add a few classes in between. I've heard some 1929 to 1960 called classics.


    If you go by features a bike has, like twin shocks and drum brakes, it gets sketckey.
    I mean, Honda has a 200 4 stroke, twin shock, air cooled bike that was made I think into the 90's, that qualifies
    as vintage at AHRMA events.

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    10/22/2019 3:55 AM
    Edited Date/Time: 10/22/2019 3:57 AM

    ATKpilot99 wrote:

    Do you guys like those 01 yz 250fs ? I know the first model weighed in the 225 lb. range.

    1974 I had a 250 Montesa Cappra, a Still Better model, down to 214 on a bathroom scale, with a half tank of fuel, ready to go to the line.

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    10/22/2019 4:05 AM

    Not sure... can you race a 2001 at mid ohio vintage days? Its mostly 70s-80s-early 90s bikes there.

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    10/22/2019 4:20 AM

    Motodave15 wrote:

    A Classic
    A Vintage
    A Antique

    I'm Curious because my bike is approaching 20yrs old (01 250f) and the other bike is a (04 crf250f) both first gen models.

    so at what point do they cross the title threshold from old to classic to etc?

    Only thing ive found that somewhat explains it is (https://blog.chopperexchange.com/motorcycle-life/the-difference-between-classic-vintage-and-antique-motorcycles/) However they're talking about road motorcycle's and not dirtbikes.


    Dave, it's hard to exclude street bikes, for the fact that before the mid 50s, there weren't dedicated dirt bikes.
    You wanted to ride or race dirt before then, you slapped a set of knobbies on and stripped it down, and That was a dirt bike.

    It was the Spanish, and a guy named John Penton, that really were the first to create what we now calldirt bikes.
    That, was mid 1950s as far I can see.
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    10/22/2019 4:47 AM

    IMO anything from 93ish to 19 is "current enough" - that being said suspension from the 90's was not the best.

    There is a guy that rides a 94 or 95 CR250 that keeps up with all of us every weekend.

    Not many 80's bikes being ridden at the tracks here in Michigan.

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    10/22/2019 7:25 AM

    Missouri vintage has a 25 year plus class, that rolls forward every calendar year. They also have a 20 year class, which is kinda silly but I get it.

    In my opinion, a fence post design feature is CR style brake routing. This gives room for guys to do those windham and lusk era tribute bikes a place to race. But they aren’t really vintage per se.

    I have ridden a 95 CR 250 for a few hours and can say that they are not at all current, nor are they at all vintage. Post vintage? Bomber? I’m kinda clueless. But god damn are they fun to ride!

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    10/22/2019 7:33 AM

    “Vintage” is all relative upon when you were born.

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    10/22/2019 8:00 AM

    kb228 wrote:

    Not sure... can you race a 2001 at mid ohio vintage days? Its mostly 70s-80s-early 90s bikes there.

    Im 99% sure there is a class you can run at mid ohio.

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    10/22/2019 8:32 AM

    This is kind of strange to think about , but it won't be long and ( a few more years ) and I believe that a lot of the 4 strokes will be eligible in certain Evo classes.

    But......where the heck do you get parts for a lot of them? A 2 stroke is a really basic design and guys have no problems keeping them going through the years , but a 20+ year 4 stroke motor? I would think they may be hard to fix if that motor has an issue?

    Blows my mind that the 4 strokes have been out that long , to be considered " vintage ". Crazy.

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    10/22/2019 9:24 AM

    I think In Florida everything newer than 2001 is considered modern.

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    10/22/2019 9:29 AM

    4 strokes become beaters. 2 strokes become worth more.

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    10/22/2019 9:47 AM

    What was it, 96,97 that Henry won the National Championship on a 400?

    I'd say the 426 might be the start of another era.

    But after that, the only thing big that they all kind of went to was fuel injection.
    That might be considered another era.

    As far as finding parts, and bikes from the past, that's a big part of it. Most anyone can get stuff, 5, 10 years gone. Getting that stuff is kinda easy, it's around.

    But when you see a pristine 426 Yamaha sitting in a row of late model stuff, what catches your eye?

    That's a big part of vintage racing.

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    10/22/2019 10:12 AM

    kb228 wrote:

    Not sure... can you race a 2001 at mid ohio vintage days? Its mostly 70s-80s-early 90s bikes there.

    Hoseclamp wrote:

    Im 99% sure there is a class you can run at mid ohio.

    They have a Revolution 2 class that is 2008 and prior. but it is 2 strokes only

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    10/22/2019 12:27 PM

    newmann wrote:

    Sounds familiar! I have a 01 YZ250F and a 2004 CRF250 as well. I was waiting for mine to be 10 years old so I could race it in the De axe. Lass but was off to different things by then.

    Any trick bits on your YZF?

    Awesomeness, as for trick bits on my bike... Not to name drop but it was Ernesto Fonseca's YOT 01 practice bike... Paper work is troy ohio and theres some markings on the motor that appear different. We dropped a hot cam in it, also put a mega bomb header and exhaust, carbon fiber airbox (it had a whole lot more carbon fiber, but we replaced it as it was fraying/worn out)

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    "Life is Too Short To Last Long"

    10/22/2019 7:26 PM

    “ a vintage bike is the one I just got off of “
    Jody MXA

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    10/22/2019 9:35 PM

    I race older machines...
    95 KX 250
    06 CRF 450

    Just races Marty Tripes 2st vintage race last month at Cahuilla and my 95 KX250 is considered "post vintage." Its still a blast to ride and I can keep up with 4st around the track.




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