Arm pump: a predominant issue for MotoGP™ riders

tek14 wrote:

Those bikes are just getting faster and faster now so guys will have issues.

tek14 wrote:

Those bikes are just getting faster and faster now so guys will have issues.

VET176 wrote:

Petrucci mentioned that his Pramac Ducati is making 280 hp a few years ago. And what do they weigh 150-160kg?? I would be holding on for...

Petrucci mentioned that his Pramac Ducati is making 280 hp a few years ago. And what do they weigh 150-160kg??

I would be holding on for dear life too!

limepandanz wrote:

Given that some people seems to get it really bad and others just don't I'm inclined to look towards genetic variability as the main contributor rather...

Given that some people seems to get it really bad and others just don't I'm inclined to look towards genetic variability as the main contributor rather than just a technique issue. I personally dealt with diagnosed Chronic Exertional Compartment Syndrome in both my arms and legs and feel like I have a reasonable handle on the issue. During all my research I was left with the distinct impression that fascia release surgery never works in the long term, at best you might get a couple of years relief before issues flare up again. On top of that it is quite a risky surgery unless you get a surgeon who has performed it many times, there is a lot of precision required and any mistake can cost you feeling or control of your foot or hand.

I wanted a more permanent result so researched many other avenues. One that showed potential was a Dr in the US that was trialing a method of stretching the muscle fascia by injecting botox underneath the fascia. I was intrigued but the cost of flying to the states and undergoing that treatment long term was just too much, but I thought the idea of stretching the fascia was interesting. I dove down the rabbit hole again and found some interesting research by Camilla Nordin among others which indicated that it should be possible to increase fascia elasticity through supplementation of Methylsulfonylmethane, Collagen, and vitamin C. Although it's not directly stretching the fascia it should have a similar effect under muscle expansion conditions.

I started taking those supplements in high doses (among others) and committed to regular foam rolling, stretching etc. It's been a pretty remarkable turnaround, I spent 7+ years not able to do any of the sport I used to, and now I'm back. I'm not perfect, but I've gone from having rock solid calves and numb feet after walking a few hundred meters to now running 15kms. I had to ride small displacement bikes for years and eventually sold them because I couldn't do more than a minute of riding before I had no arm control, I recently borrowed a 450 and did a 50km ride at a pretty good pace and I didn't have to stop even once. Such a massive difference I almost can't believe it. Anyway, over the last 18 months as I've been going through this change I've wondered many times if this could help motocross riders who suffer badly from arm pump.

Edit: This turned into a longer more rambly post than I intended, but hey, maybe someone will find some value in it.

luke11 wrote:

So where do you get Methylsulfonylmethane supplements?

tobz wrote:

I know I wouldn’t have the arms to hang on to one of those motoGP steeds under full braking, that’s for sure.

limepandanz wrote:

Given that some people seems to get it really bad and others just don't I'm inclined to look towards genetic variability as the main contributor rather...

Given that some people seems to get it really bad and others just don't I'm inclined to look towards genetic variability as the main contributor rather than just a technique issue. I personally dealt with diagnosed Chronic Exertional Compartment Syndrome in both my arms and legs and feel like I have a reasonable handle on the issue. During all my research I was left with the distinct impression that fascia release surgery never works in the long term, at best you might get a couple of years relief before issues flare up again. On top of that it is quite a risky surgery unless you get a surgeon who has performed it many times, there is a lot of precision required and any mistake can cost you feeling or control of your foot or hand.

I wanted a more permanent result so researched many other avenues. One that showed potential was a Dr in the US that was trialing a method of stretching the muscle fascia by injecting botox underneath the fascia. I was intrigued but the cost of flying to the states and undergoing that treatment long term was just too much, but I thought the idea of stretching the fascia was interesting. I dove down the rabbit hole again and found some interesting research by Camilla Nordin among others which indicated that it should be possible to increase fascia elasticity through supplementation of Methylsulfonylmethane, Collagen, and vitamin C. Although it's not directly stretching the fascia it should have a similar effect under muscle expansion conditions.

I started taking those supplements in high doses (among others) and committed to regular foam rolling, stretching etc. It's been a pretty remarkable turnaround, I spent 7+ years not able to do any of the sport I used to, and now I'm back. I'm not perfect, but I've gone from having rock solid calves and numb feet after walking a few hundred meters to now running 15kms. I had to ride small displacement bikes for years and eventually sold them because I couldn't do more than a minute of riding before I had no arm control, I recently borrowed a 450 and did a 50km ride at a pretty good pace and I didn't have to stop even once. Such a massive difference I almost can't believe it. Anyway, over the last 18 months as I've been going through this change I've wondered many times if this could help motocross riders who suffer badly from arm pump.

Edit: This turned into a longer more rambly post than I intended, but hey, maybe someone will find some value in it.

westeast wrote:

Interesting info! Thanks for sharing it. My spouse suffered from undiagnosed compartment syndrome in her legs and didn't get it figured out until she went to...

Interesting info! Thanks for sharing it. My spouse suffered from undiagnosed compartment syndrome in her legs and didn't get it figured out until she went to med school and self diagnosed it. Surgery worked for her, although I don't know if it was 100% resolution. That said, she still suffers from muscle tightness and has sometimes used botox to relieve it. I recently suggested that perhaps there was some chemical or mineral imbalance and now come across your post. I'll be passing this info along and hoping she gives it a try.

Has arm pump always been an issue in MotoGP or is it increasing due to the bikes being faster, better brakes, etc? I don't recall the article answering that.

MyBobbym wrote:

I wonder what a mx track would do

MyBobbym wrote:

I wonder what a mx track would do

skeef wrote:

You're so ignorant if you think riding MX is harder than riding a GP bike

MyBobbym wrote:

SO Less arm pump on a rough and sandy mx track...gotcha.

MyBobbym wrote:

I never talked down or belittled motogp in any way. Maybe yer talking about another moto brother.
Motogp is tits sir IMHO.

MyBobbym wrote:

Well you may be right... Or not. But this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/05/07/491701/s1200_roval.jpg[/img] Isn't this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/05/07/491702/s1200_max_Extra_MXGP_13_Flanders_2020_JPA_P5I5568_377370.jpg[/img]

Well you may be right... Or not.
But this

Isn't this

SX-Andy wrote:

Reached a reasonably high level in mx and have done numerous track days on a 1000, I can say that, I can’t imagine the forces (particularly...

Reached a reasonably high level in mx and have done numerous track days on a 1000, I can say that, I can’t imagine the forces (particularly braking) those guys (MotoGP) deal with on a lap to lap basis. I wouldn’t put it above or below mxgp but different.