Anyone here switched from 450F down to 250F?

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8/24/2015 12:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/24/2015 12:16 PM

And if so, why?

Just curious.

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8/24/2015 12:23 PM

I have, at the time I just wanted a bike that I could ride to full potential. The trade off is the maintenance cost. I couldn't do now, I've gained too much weight. I have a 350 now, it's a good middle ground for older guys.

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8/24/2015 12:39 PM

How do you like the 350? I'm in a dilemma' I have an 03 crf450, 02 cr125 and an 04 cr250. I have fun on all of them but I want something new. I'm torn between 250f or 450f and 150sx or 350. So many choices. This will be a bike I race 30+.

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8/24/2015 12:44 PM

I did step down from 450. I stopped racing and now only rides for fun. The 250f is just the perfect bike for fun riding. I only ride a couple times per month, with the 250 I can still run long motos

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8/24/2015 2:10 PM

Riding a 250F is infinitely easier to ride on a MX track than a 450.

Purely a moto weapon 300cc two stroke hands down. All purpose dirt bike 350s are hard to beat.

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8/24/2015 2:26 PM

I moved down after many years from a Yam 450 to a KTM 350 and picked up 20% speed because I was lazy riding the 450. I had to charge harder on the 350.
Now when I climb on my 15 YZ 250F I'm even faster on it and it needs nothing done to the suspension. It's race ready out of the box for the weekend racer.
I'm 6 foot 180lbs.

Jason

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8/24/2015 2:31 PM

I have been thinking of switching to a 350 from a 450 just because when i ride my RM 250 i charge way harder, and i become a bit faster when i get on my 450 after a few hours on the RM 250 but fall back to the same "lazy" riding with the 450.

I could try to work out more and get more upper body strength and i think it would help.

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8/24/2015 3:41 PM

I did. Ride a couple times a month spring and fall. Usually do 2 day trips. Couple of reasons:

1) Starting that Monster was a pain. Now with electric starts it may not be an issue.
2) On the second day of riding it would feel more like work than fun wrestling that monster.

I ride a 250F now and having a blast.

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8/24/2015 3:48 PM

really feel it comes down to what kind of style you have . if you are smooth rider i feel you can use less energy on a 450 . you go fast on a 250 you has to ride the stones out of it . the problem is when you try ride a 450 like a 250.

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8/24/2015 3:49 PM

I went from a 2013 yz 450F to a 2006 yz 144 last year.w00t

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8/24/2015 4:10 PM

I went from a CR450 down to a CRF250. I really loved how you can ride it without thinking. Just pinn it and enjoy. Never gets into trouble. I enjoyed that for about a year, be then I missed the power of the 450 and went back. There is just no substitute for CC's.

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8/24/2015 4:12 PM

Yes, I went from a 450 down to a 250 2 stroke to a 250 4 stroke back to a 450 4 stroke. I even played with the 350 in between the bikes. I like the less maintenance of the 450 (or the 250 2 stroke).

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8/24/2015 4:19 PM

I've never owned a 450. Why less mantaince than a 250f?

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8/24/2015 4:22 PM

I went from a cr 125 to a cr 250 to a crf 450 to a RMZ 250. And finally found the bike I needed in the KTM 350

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8/24/2015 4:28 PM

I went from a 10' yz450F to a 13 kx250f. Best move I ever made. The 450 was just too much for me to ride as fast as I wanted in the woods and mud. I don't think my skills were up to the task. The 250 is MUCH faster than I thought it would be and I feel I ride so much better plus I'm not exhausted by the end of the day.

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8/24/2015 4:35 PM

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

I've never owned a 450. Why less mantaince than a 250f?

You have to freshen up the 250f's between 30-50 hours. Some Kx models were cracking pistons beyond 25-30 hours.

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8/24/2015 4:36 PM

My mate was on an RMZ450 for ages. He got rid of it when I started beating him on my 250 laughing He was instantly faster on the 250f. There are a lot of people out there who ride 450 when they could be going as fast or even faster on a 250

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8/24/2015 5:02 PM

I went from a yz125 to a yz450f to a yz250f and am now on a yz250 over the course of 6 years.
I didn't like how heavy the yz450 was. I don't race every weekend but my favorite tracks (and practice track) are all very sandy, and I simply wasn't comfortable on the 450. That being said, I was much faster on the 450 than I was on the 125, but when I hopped on the 250f, I was happy and pretty much just as fast (and I didn't struggle in the corners on the 250f like I did on the 450f).

I am only now on a yz250 because I sold my yz250f and am riding my brothers bike while he is not. It is awesome for the sand tracks I ride but I would not be happy on it at all on a normal track. But, since I don't ride/race on anything but deep sand, it works well for me.

My fastest single laps at the tracks I raced would have come from a yz450f, followed by a yz250 (in sand). But I was by far more consistent with the yz250f and yz250.

I'm 5'11" 170lbs, which I don't think is too big for a 250f.

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8/24/2015 5:12 PM

I made the switch. Thought I would miss the power but man, these new 250F's flat rip. I get a sensation that I am riding the bike rather than it riding me like I did on my 450. Mind you I'm 5' 8" and 150# give or take so I want worried about being too big for a 250F. Overall super happy with the switch.

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8/24/2015 7:55 PM

I made the switch a couple years ago from a 2012 KX450F to a 2013 RMZ250. Throw on a cylinder works 269 big bore with some hotcams sprinkled in and its the perfect vet bike of choice for me. 5'-7" 155lbs.

Why? - Faster lap times on the 4-fiddy just too many concussions at this stage in life with the 4-fiddy.

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8/24/2015 8:06 PM

Well , I " haven't " as of yet , but the Kawi 450 is up for sale. I've gotten to the point ( of where I think a lot of you guys are at , or have been ) I just don't need / want that much power under me any more. The 450 is great for the first 5 - 8mins , I have a lot of fun. After that , if I push myself into a longer ride , I get tired and that's where mistakes happen.

Having a LOT of fun on my old 06' RM250 and as soon as my Kawi 450 sells , I'll either get a new 15' YZ250 2 stroke , or possibly a 250F of some type. There are some decisions I need to make , and I need to make up my mind. God damn it why can't I be rich and just buy them all??!!

@Robgvx , are you considering getting on something smaller ( thinking you may be riding a 450 right now? )

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8/24/2015 8:22 PM

I'm in the same boat as Jeffro, the 450 is just too much work and i get tired after a few laps and then mistakes happen. Bought a yz125 this summer so the kx450 has sat in the garage since and is up for sale with the plan of getting a yz250f next.

-Philip

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8/24/2015 8:33 PM

I went from a SX125 (which I raced both MX and Hare Scrambles on), to a CRF450, then to a CRF250.

I got sick of getting hosed on the straights by my racing buddies (on 450's). I bought a tricked out 450. Every time I rode I either wrecked the bike or myself. Once I realized the 450 was too much for me I bought the 250F. Raced for a whole season on it and got the best results of my 20 year riding career. It ran strong all season and sold it to some poor bastard as is. tick tick tick

It was just plain easy to ride. Simple as that.

Now have a YZ250. dizzy

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8/24/2015 8:55 PM

Dan-The-Man wrote:

How do you like the 350? I'm in a dilemma' I have an 03 crf450, 02 cr125 and an 04 cr250. I have fun on all of them but I want something new. I'm torn between 250f or 450f and 150sx or 350. So many choices. This will be a bike I race 30+.

I really like it, it's a good tweener bike. I actually put a cylinder works 365 kit on it to bring the power down more to the midrange, because that's where i like to ride. It's honestly perfect power now. And with keeping the RPM's down, my motor should last longer.

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8/24/2015 10:42 PM

I don't get the whole 450 to 250F thing at all. For me, to get over the jumps that I do relatively easily on a 450, it feels sketchy on a 250. And honestly I think if you are smooth the 450 isn't that bad, as long as you don't try to ride it like a 250f.

250Fs scare me. This sounds nuts - I like 450s and I've raced them for years, but I swear I feel more comfortable on a 125 than a 250F. Because at least I know the 125 isn't going to hit the rev limiter if I hold it on too long up the face of a jump. But then again... I grew up on 125s.

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8/24/2015 10:48 PM

i do more than just moto, and i find a 250F boring for trail riding, i would probably be faster lap time wise on a moto track, but enjoy the 450's grunt,

i do keep a cheap 125 in teh shed when i want to go thrash a bike, and its good for your corner speed as well,

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8/25/2015 1:43 AM

jeffro503 wrote:

Well , I " haven't " as of yet , but the Kawi 450 is up for sale. I've gotten to the point ( of where I think a lot of you guys are at , or have been ) I just don't need / want that much power under me any more. The 450 is great for the first 5 - 8mins , I have a lot of fun. After that , if I push myself into a longer ride , I get tired and that's where mistakes happen.

Having a LOT of fun on my old 06' RM250 and as soon as my Kawi 450 sells , I'll either get a new 15' YZ250 2 stroke , or possibly a 250F of some type. There are some decisions I need to make , and I need to make up my mind. God damn it why can't I be rich and just buy them all??!!

@Robgvx , are you considering getting on something smaller ( thinking you may be riding a 450 right now? )

I've just bought a 450 - my first ever - and find it the easiest thing to ride. Plenty of power but so controllable. As quick as my 500 but way easier to ride. My 17 year old friend, who races a 250F, thought it was too.

I asked the question because I was trying to gauge whether the average Vitard finds them too powerful. That's because the powers that be in GPs seem to think that 450s are too powerful for even the best GP riders, are responsible for low entry numbers and injuries, and they are gunning to kill them off.

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8/25/2015 2:00 AM

jeffro503 wrote:

Well , I " haven't " as of yet , but the Kawi 450 is up for sale. I've gotten to the point ( of where I think a lot of you guys are at , or have been ) I just don't need / want that much power under me any more. The 450 is great for the first 5 - 8mins , I have a lot of fun. After that , if I push myself into a longer ride , I get tired and that's where mistakes happen.

Having a LOT of fun on my old 06' RM250 and as soon as my Kawi 450 sells , I'll either get a new 15' YZ250 2 stroke , or possibly a 250F of some type. There are some decisions I need to make , and I need to make up my mind. God damn it why can't I be rich and just buy them all??!!

@Robgvx , are you considering getting on something smaller ( thinking you may be riding a 450 right now? )

Robgvx wrote:

I've just bought a 450 - my first ever - and find it the easiest thing to ride. Plenty of power but so controllable. As quick as my 500 but way easier to ride. My 17 year old friend, who races a 250F, thought it was too.

I asked the question because I was trying to gauge whether the average Vitard finds them too powerful. That's because the powers that be in GPs seem to think that 450s are too powerful for even the best GP riders, are responsible for low entry numbers and injuries, and they are gunning to kill them off.

have you tried the 350 rob? I went from 450 to 350, and find the 350 to be the easiest to ride/ best compromise. Im too big/ heavy for a 250f really. I enjoyed the 450 when the tracks were smooth, but on really rough tracks I would find it difficult to ride at the end of a race. That seems to be a lot easier on the 350. Also find the 350 to be more fun, you can rev it a lot more if you like, or lug it up a gear and use the torque when you get tired/ when its slippy hardpack conditions. I found the 450 to be a little bit boring at times (riding it round in the torque at quarter to half throttle most of the time)

do you find the 450 a lot easier than the 500? only ask, as im restoring an 89 cr500 at the minute (never actually ridden one before)

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8/25/2015 2:02 AM

Went from Kawasaki 450f to Yamaha yz250f. Weight difference is massive and as im light build with 250f I can tell bike where to go... wasnt case with 450f on rough tracks (well prepped tracks you could enjoy 450 just for fun and jumping). I can push the 250f bike all 30min as with 450f i did couple fast laps and then tried to get finish line. I feel 250f is more fun around the track and my heart rate is even higher as i could move around. Only downsides are starts against 450f and some big jumps just after corners. I do ride also 125cc 2-stroke and even 250f its light that 2-stroke feels like mountain bike but then again heart rate goes even higher as i need to push harder to clear jumps and keep up with bigger bikes or younger kids...

I would like to go somewhere in middle.. 290cc motor that runs free as 250cc but have more torque... yes there is lot of expensive engine mods i could do that doesnt last long.. or go to KTM 350cc.. both will cost way too much as im loving how my Yamaha 250f goes around the track.

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8/25/2015 3:15 AM

2strokerider wrote:

have you tried the 350 rob? I went from 450 to 350, and find the 350 to be the easiest to ride/ best compromise. Im too big/ heavy for a 250f really. I enjoyed the 450 when the tracks were smooth, but on really rough tracks I would find it difficult to ride at the end of a race. That seems to be a lot easier on the 350. Also find the 350 to be more fun, you can rev it a lot more if you like, or lug it up a gear and use the torque when you get tired/ when its slippy hardpack conditions. I found the 450 to be a little bit boring at times (riding it round in the torque at quarter to half throttle most of the time)

do you find the 450 a lot easier than the 500? only ask, as im restoring an 89 cr500 at the minute (never actually ridden one before)

Yes, I actually raced a 350 at Glen Helen a few years ago. However I found it underpowered for my style. I'm used to open class bikes and like to have plenty of bottom and mid, and have enough power when I need it. Better to have enough power to pick the bike up rather than running out of power just when you need more.

Yes the 450 is way, way easier to ride than the 500. The power is a similar amount, I'd guess, but the way the four stroke puts it down is so predictable and linear and there's no explosision and consequent step-out like you get with a 500 when it comes into the meat of the power. Strange, as when you blip the throttle in neutral the four stroke revs so quickly you'd expect it to be really snappy.

But that does mean a change in riding style. You ride a two stroke in anticipation of that hit when it comes on. If you ride like that with a four stroke, and the hit never comes, then I'm sure you'll go slower.

Anyway, awesome traction, awesome brakes, great suspension, great handling, superb quality and equipment. And electric start. What's not to like?

But it does baffle me that GL and FIM have got it into their minds that the bikes are too powerful. A 450 is infinitely better, smoother and safer than the 500s we used to race. I think they're looking for answers in completely the wrong place.

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