Anyone Here Collecting Contingency?

Agent717
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Curious if anyone here is making use of contingency programs.

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ccullins
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11/18/2020 8:06am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2020 8:06am
Yep

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I’m sure not the kind of answer you where looking for😂 , but I’ve made some.
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Agent717
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ccullins wrote:
Yep

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I’m sure not the kind of answer you where looking for😂 , but I’ve made some.
Nice!
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11/18/2020 11:35am
Thor does contingency for my offroad series I race.
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In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing the A class off-road. The money went on a debit card that I could use anywhere.

I actually just realized that KTM doesn't offer contingency in my series this year. Doesn't really matter as I think I would get like $100 for second overall according to the previous contingency...

I've always wondered what would happen if a company, like Suzuki, just completely pulled their money from pro racing (I know they pretty much already did...) and then put that couple million dollars into contingency for local series'. I would gladly race an RMZ450 if I could make money like in 2009.

Anyways, to answer your question. No, I'm not collecting contingency of any kind this year.
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ktmdan wrote:
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing...
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing the A class off-road. The money went on a debit card that I could use anywhere.

I actually just realized that KTM doesn't offer contingency in my series this year. Doesn't really matter as I think I would get like $100 for second overall according to the previous contingency...

I've always wondered what would happen if a company, like Suzuki, just completely pulled their money from pro racing (I know they pretty much already did...) and then put that couple million dollars into contingency for local series'. I would gladly race an RMZ450 if I could make money like in 2009.

Anyways, to answer your question. No, I'm not collecting contingency of any kind this year.
The Kawi Debit Card was pretty sweet, I had a match with my dealer/Team Green in addition where I got a parts allowance equal to the Kawi Contingency I made.

Those were the good times....
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11/18/2020 4:33pm
ktmdan wrote:
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing...
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing the A class off-road. The money went on a debit card that I could use anywhere.

I actually just realized that KTM doesn't offer contingency in my series this year. Doesn't really matter as I think I would get like $100 for second overall according to the previous contingency...

I've always wondered what would happen if a company, like Suzuki, just completely pulled their money from pro racing (I know they pretty much already did...) and then put that couple million dollars into contingency for local series'. I would gladly race an RMZ450 if I could make money like in 2009.

Anyways, to answer your question. No, I'm not collecting contingency of any kind this year.
When I rode Suzuki in 04 and 05 the contingency was great. Bummer was, most of it went back to Suzuki from buying cylinder heads and water pump seals LaughingSick
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11/18/2020 4:44pm
ktmdan wrote:
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing...
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing the A class off-road. The money went on a debit card that I could use anywhere.

I actually just realized that KTM doesn't offer contingency in my series this year. Doesn't really matter as I think I would get like $100 for second overall according to the previous contingency...

I've always wondered what would happen if a company, like Suzuki, just completely pulled their money from pro racing (I know they pretty much already did...) and then put that couple million dollars into contingency for local series'. I would gladly race an RMZ450 if I could make money like in 2009.

Anyways, to answer your question. No, I'm not collecting contingency of any kind this year.
In the 90’s Suzuki paid contingency for a lot of off-road series, including D-36 in Northern California. It was a decent amount and the races where full of RMX’s because of it. It makes a difference if the riders feel a manufacturer cares about their series.
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My son in AMA District 20. 250 C, 450 C.
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11/18/2020 4:49pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2020 4:50pm
I made KTM contingency throughout the year, GNCC & NESC...40,45&50 classes maybe I can buy some tearoff”s👍
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11/18/2020 5:02pm
Bunch of off-roaders apparently
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Suzuki used to have a solid contingency plan back in early 2000’s. I used to get enough money to essentially cover parts and gas on a card. Moose used to give me 5 sets of gear per year too. I feel like those days are gone for a youngster winning overalls in most off-road series other than the national ones obviously. I used to get a bike from a large motorcycle dealer in PA every year too. I feel like dealers barely give any sort of deals anymore.
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11/18/2020 7:24pm
in the early 90s suzuki paid $400 to win the A class in the local michigan series. top guys rode 125 and 250 and made out good. two days of racing. 8 races in that series
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11/19/2020 8:02am
I bounce around NY/PA following Kawi contingency. +25B and +30B. Goes right on a debit card which is nice.
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My pops switched to Suzuki in 2013 for contingency reasons.Suzuki basically pays like Kawasaki used to. Needless to say he hasn't left Suzuki yet. He makes pretty decent money from the SwapMoto Race Series. Suzuki does pay better than anyone else also. I think Kawasaki is second best last time I looked a few months ago.
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11/19/2020 8:43pm
agn5009 wrote:
Suzuki used to have a solid contingency plan back in early 2000’s. I used to get enough money to essentially cover parts and gas on a...
Suzuki used to have a solid contingency plan back in early 2000’s. I used to get enough money to essentially cover parts and gas on a card. Moose used to give me 5 sets of gear per year too. I feel like those days are gone for a youngster winning overalls in most off-road series other than the national ones obviously. I used to get a bike from a large motorcycle dealer in PA every year too. I feel like dealers barely give any sort of deals anymore.
I think the rise of online retailers killed it for dealership handouts.
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Agent717
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Jbulz wrote:
I bounce around NY/PA following Kawi contingency. +25B and +30B. Goes right on a debit card which is nice.
Sent you a PM but no idea if it works on this thing.
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12/2/2020 10:26pm
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I mean if a guy can pull out a 10 year old bike and still finish well then why not pay him too? Still makes the brand look good and reliable also.
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2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto round and it’s something like 150 per class win, all the way down to vet novice, two classes per bike maximum, kawis pay is the same but they only pay a handful of the rounds, all other brands pay maybe half that amount or less, for example bet novice or regular novice is maybe 50 per class win, all the payouts and schedules are on their websites
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crusher773 wrote:
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I...
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I mean if a guy can pull out a 10 year old bike and still finish well then why not pay him too? Still makes the brand look good and reliable also.
To keep you buying new bikes. Yamaha is the same.
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ktmdan wrote:
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing...
In 2009, I bought a Kawi solely because of contingency despite not being the best bike for me. I could make $700 in a weekend racing the A class off-road. The money went on a debit card that I could use anywhere.

I actually just realized that KTM doesn't offer contingency in my series this year. Doesn't really matter as I think I would get like $100 for second overall according to the previous contingency...

I've always wondered what would happen if a company, like Suzuki, just completely pulled their money from pro racing (I know they pretty much already did...) and then put that couple million dollars into contingency for local series'. I would gladly race an RMZ450 if I could make money like in 2009.

Anyways, to answer your question. No, I'm not collecting contingency of any kind this year.
Are you Racing TSEC or TORCS
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crusher773 wrote:
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I...
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I mean if a guy can pull out a 10 year old bike and still finish well then why not pay him too? Still makes the brand look good and reliable also.
mwilcox349 wrote:
To keep you buying new bikes. Yamaha is the same.
I get thats what they want but who buys bikes based in the contingency. Now make them $5k again like the old days and sure. But with these things being $10k a lot of people are riding them a lot longer.
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crusher773 wrote:
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I...
I've always thought it was screwed up that you have to be riding a current or 1 year old bike for KTM contingency at least. I mean if a guy can pull out a 10 year old bike and still finish well then why not pay him too? Still makes the brand look good and reliable also.
This year 18, 19, and 20 model ktm's were eligible. Usually the Japanese companies have only the current year and one year old bikes eligible. I picked up $375 contingency at four sprint enduros this year, paid the entry fee anyway.
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rongi#401 wrote:
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto...
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto round and it’s something like 150 per class win, all the way down to vet novice, two classes per bike maximum, kawis pay is the same but they only pay a handful of the rounds, all other brands pay maybe half that amount or less, for example bet novice or regular novice is maybe 50 per class win, all the payouts and schedules are on their websites
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any given race. They pay out hardly anything. If KTM had the same contingency as Suzuki they would be bankrupt. They don't need contingency to sell bikes.
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12/3/2020 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 12/3/2020 4:06pm
rongi#401 wrote:
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto...
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto round and it’s something like 150 per class win, all the way down to vet novice, two classes per bike maximum, kawis pay is the same but they only pay a handful of the rounds, all other brands pay maybe half that amount or less, for example bet novice or regular novice is maybe 50 per class win, all the payouts and schedules are on their websites
GrapeApe wrote:
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any...
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any given race. They pay out hardly anything. If KTM had the same contingency as Suzuki they would be bankrupt. They don't need contingency to sell bikes.
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out as much because half the field is orange, they’d just be throwing money away. I have a pretty good grip on how it works, edit: also look at Barry Carsten and walker at LL this year, they cleaned up shop on contingency $, and I’m sure payout has something to do with wich brand they choose, if you can get a Yamaha and earn 1/4th of what you would earn on yellow, choice is pretty clear
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rongi#401 wrote:
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto...
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto round and it’s something like 150 per class win, all the way down to vet novice, two classes per bike maximum, kawis pay is the same but they only pay a handful of the rounds, all other brands pay maybe half that amount or less, for example bet novice or regular novice is maybe 50 per class win, all the payouts and schedules are on their websites
GrapeApe wrote:
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any...
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any given race. They pay out hardly anything. If KTM had the same contingency as Suzuki they would be bankrupt. They don't need contingency to sell bikes.
rongi#401 wrote:
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out...
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out as much because half the field is orange, they’d just be throwing money away. I have a pretty good grip on how it works, edit: also look at Barry Carsten and walker at LL this year, they cleaned up shop on contingency $, and I’m sure payout has something to do with wich brand they choose, if you can get a Yamaha and earn 1/4th of what you would earn on yellow, choice is pretty clear
I get it, if I were still chasing contingency I would absolutely consider an RMZ. Great bikes.

But there seems to be a thought on Vital that Suzuki's contingency is a reflection of the health of the company. They can offer a massive contingency knowing they don't actually have to pay shit.

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Are you Racing TSEC or TORCS
In 09 I was mostly chasing the $, tccra, toro, TORCS, occra
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rongi#401 wrote:
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto...
2020 Suzuki contingency is head and shoulder above any other brand for amateur moto, I researched all brands programs extensively, Suzuki pays every single swap moto round and it’s something like 150 per class win, all the way down to vet novice, two classes per bike maximum, kawis pay is the same but they only pay a handful of the rounds, all other brands pay maybe half that amount or less, for example bet novice or regular novice is maybe 50 per class win, all the payouts and schedules are on their websites
GrapeApe wrote:
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any...
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any given race. They pay out hardly anything. If KTM had the same contingency as Suzuki they would be bankrupt. They don't need contingency to sell bikes.
rongi#401 wrote:
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out...
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out as much because half the field is orange, they’d just be throwing money away. I have a pretty good grip on how it works, edit: also look at Barry Carsten and walker at LL this year, they cleaned up shop on contingency $, and I’m sure payout has something to do with wich brand they choose, if you can get a Yamaha and earn 1/4th of what you would earn on yellow, choice is pretty clear
How did Carston clean up. How many classes did he ride. Does Suzuki pay for more than one or two motos on the same bike?
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A little peeved at Honda's 2019 NEPG "A" class contingency. After three rounds Honda slashed the "A" class payouts 50%. The contingency was a factor in switching to Honda.
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GrapeApe wrote:
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any...
You have to understand how contingency works. Suzuki can throw a huge contingency out there because they know there are only a couple zukes at any given race. They pay out hardly anything. If KTM had the same contingency as Suzuki they would be bankrupt. They don't need contingency to sell bikes.
rongi#401 wrote:
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out...
True, but if Suzuki keeps the same contingency payout for 21, I’m guna buy a rmz450 leftover 2020, and yeah ktm doesn’t have to pay out as much because half the field is orange, they’d just be throwing money away. I have a pretty good grip on how it works, edit: also look at Barry Carsten and walker at LL this year, they cleaned up shop on contingency $, and I’m sure payout has something to do with wich brand they choose, if you can get a Yamaha and earn 1/4th of what you would earn on yellow, choice is pretty clear
How did Carston clean up. How many classes did he ride. Does Suzuki pay for more than one or two motos on the same bike?
Suzuki is 2 classes per bike and only need 3 riders to pay the top 2. Kawi and others require 5-7 riders to pay out any contingency.

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