Should America not race MXON?

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6/18/2019 10:36 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/20/2019 10:43 AM

Just listened to pulp and Matthes is saying (and has been saying alot) that usa should not race mxon this year and mitch payton agreed with him. Seems like alot of industri people are on the same track.

My question is, would they be saying this if US was winning?
Do you think FIM should help the US team with expenses? Move the event to fit the US schedule better?
Im just sad that people are saying that usa should stay home.

Please dont make this into a mxgp vs ama thread.

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6/18/2019 10:41 AM

Of course, we would be going if we were winning.

Americans really don't like losing. And we know there isn't a chance in hell that we're winning Assen. So why bother, right?

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6/18/2019 10:42 AM

Honestly, I think not winning has made the event devolve into a non priority.

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6/18/2019 10:45 AM

They’re going.

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6/18/2019 10:48 AM

JustinStarling_ wrote:

They’re going.

Are you going for Puerto Rico again?

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6/18/2019 10:50 AM

I guess I will be rooting for Team Puerto Rico...

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6/18/2019 10:50 AM

Gukamonster wrote:

Are you going for Puerto Rico again?

I hope so. I will already be over there during that time. Where I live in Germany is only about 2-3 hours from Assen and my team is based 30 minutes from me in Germany. So would be very cheap and easy for PR to let me have a spot!

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6/18/2019 10:51 AM

Just my opinion but, no, we wouldn't be saying/thinking this if we were winning. We should still go, win or lose. We shouldn't just give up. And for fund raising? I remember some of the MX magazines would sell stuff to raise money. Wouldn't be much but, it could help a bit.

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6/18/2019 10:52 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/18/2019 11:05 AM

There's a difference in saying they're not going and should not go.

Edit the title.

Edit: Thanks for the title edit.

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6/18/2019 10:52 AM

2 fundamental things you need to do to win a race:

1. Sign up for the race
2. Finish the race

Not showing up looks way worse than going and getting beat straight up.

AC, Tomac and Osborne would acquit themselves just fine. Better 3 rider team than most other nations.

Herlings hurt, Cairoli hurt, Gajser has no team mates, Prado has no team mates, Desalle hurt, Coldenhoff shit year so far, Anstie, Searle shit tears so far, TKO has no team mates.

So France again: Paulin, Febvre, Ferrandis?
Swiss? Seewer, Tonus and? Guillod hurt?

Doors wide open. Pick a team and swing for the fences.


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6/18/2019 10:54 AM

It's a political type move to "win"over an opponent. You can't be them on fair ground so you change the rules to the point where the opponent either loses any desire to continue or is shutdown economically.

The best way to shut down a business is strap it with so many taxes and fees and legal red tape the owner no longer has a viable option to continue

On equal footing the US should be top three everytime due to the larger depth in talent for the country. Unlike GPs where you get 1 or 2 top guys from a single country

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6/18/2019 10:58 AM

Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC

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6/18/2019 10:58 AM

They are saying multiple things but the main things are that the cost is to high, the schedule for mxon is wrong for the US riders. Matthes thinks that a little help from the FIM with costs etc would be good and i can see that.

Its really a big thing that the US team races. Its the only race that we see top american riders race against GP riders.

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6/18/2019 10:59 AM

Without the USA there it's basically just an off season MXGP race that nobody would care about.

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6/18/2019 11:00 AM

Does the FIM help Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, Japan?

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6/18/2019 11:01 AM

Nope...

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6/18/2019 11:01 AM

Brad460 wrote:

Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC

As much as I would like to see AC there, it makes more sense for him to work on getting ready to race a 450. The transition is hard enough without having to continue riding a 250 for 6 weeks after his season is over.

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6/18/2019 11:01 AM

MOTO732 wrote:

Without the USA there it's basically just an off season MXGP race that nobody would care about.

I didn’t realise the USA had been going the last few years.

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6/18/2019 11:03 AM

So why does the USA want help with funding then?

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6/18/2019 11:03 AM

They should be

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6/18/2019 11:07 AM

They should but they don’t, what I’m trying to get at, is the the US are moaning about cost but the smaller MX nations normally always make the trip over.

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6/18/2019 11:08 AM

I think the top reason there is any sentiment within the industry to NOT go is because there is like a month off after the US nationals and guys want to relax (rightfully so) instead of keeping the training up for mxdn. And they would rather spend that time adjusting to new rides, or preparing for the Monster Cup.

The reason to not go about the cost is the cost is almost the same as any other country, no?

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6/18/2019 11:09 AM

MOTO732 wrote:

Without the USA there it's basically just an off season MXGP race that nobody would care about.

Don't toot your own horn too much. i will watch it either way. It is the yearly olympics of MX.

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6/18/2019 11:11 AM

We better go! If not, we suck.

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6/18/2019 11:13 AM

I think its dumb right now. nobody cares about racing for their country anymore. the promoters earn money but they wont pay the guys who make the event.

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6/18/2019 11:13 AM

The cost could be reduce significantly if the team would not bring 200 hanger-oners!!! Bros, Chodes, and Toads!!!
Ha ha haaaaaaaaa!!!

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6/18/2019 11:14 AM

Maybe it's time for someone to put Luongo and the FIM on the ropes for this.

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6/18/2019 11:14 AM

Haven't listened to the latest Pulp, but the last couple he was saying all teams should get something, not just USA.

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6/18/2019 11:15 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/18/2019 11:24 AM

I will lose a lot of respect for everyone involved in the USA MXdN effort if they choose to stay home.

I expect them to line up and fight for it just like everyone else.

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6/18/2019 11:16 AM

We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team managers, press, podcasts, etc that make this event not as interesting, or compatible (competitive) as it was in the past. 1. American racers, teams, bike set up, training, incentives, sponsorship commitments being Supercross focused. 2. FIM biases (Scheduling/time of year, venues, track setup, drug testing, etc)

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