Alternative to Dunlop MX3S?

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12/11/2017 11:43am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2018 4:46pm
Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again.

Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works really good on softer terrain. They also seem to wear quickly on tracks that start soft but dry out into intermediate/hard.

The best all around tire I had several years back were the Bridgestone 403/404 combo. Seemed to hook up very well most everywhere and took a long time to wear out. Any experiences with the Bridgestone X20s? Other offerings worth investigating?
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12/11/2017 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2017 12:44pm
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20 to compare, sorry.
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If you liked the 403/404 then try the X30 as that is the replacement. The X20 is the replacement for the 203/204 series.

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seth505 wrote:
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20...
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20 to compare, sorry.
How are the X30s performance-wise?

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Starcross 5s are a close 2nd behind the dunlops. Maybe give those a shot.
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Pirelli MX32.

In my opinion better performance but they don't last quite as long as the Dunlops.
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I run the x20's on my TC250, they last a lot longer than the MX3s and perform similarly. They aren't quite as good when it's dry, but it's worth the trade off. I didn't like the x30 when I tried it.
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Motofinne wrote:
Pirelli MX32.

In my opinion better performance but they don't last quite as long as the Dunlops.
Jepp, great tyre. Love the MX32s, very predictable. But I always break of the outer knobbies, front and rear.
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12/11/2017 1:12pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2017 1:13pm
Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again. Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works...
Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again.

Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works really good on softer terrain. They also seem to wear quickly on tracks that start soft but dry out into intermediate/hard.

The best all around tire I had several years back were the Bridgestone 403/404 combo. Seemed to hook up very well most everywhere and took a long time to wear out. Any experiences with the Bridgestone X20s? Other offerings worth investigating?
Hey Eric, its Larry Hughes.

We use the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft on our Yamaha race bikes and they work great at 3 Palms, Rio and Freedom. Last longer that anything else we have tried.

My Alta demo bikes have the Bridgestone X30 on them from the factory and I will be replacing them soon with the Star Cross 5.

Good luck!
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Motofinne wrote:
Pirelli MX32.

In my opinion better performance but they don't last quite as long as the Dunlops.
#434 wrote:
Jepp, great tyre. Love the MX32s, very predictable. But I always break of the outer knobbies, front and rear.
Yeah that is what happens with the Pirellis if you ride on dryer/harder pack tracks. But the same thing happens with the Dunlops too.

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12/11/2017 1:16pm
Motofinne wrote:
Pirelli MX32.

In my opinion better performance but they don't last quite as long as the Dunlops.
#434 wrote:
Jepp, great tyre. Love the MX32s, very predictable. But I always break of the outer knobbies, front and rear.
Try using the XtraX from Pirelli.... side knobbies are more durable, still provide great traction in softer dirt.
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Is there a crossover chart like the above for all brands?
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Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again. Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works...
Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again.

Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works really good on softer terrain. They also seem to wear quickly on tracks that start soft but dry out into intermediate/hard.

The best all around tire I had several years back were the Bridgestone 403/404 combo. Seemed to hook up very well most everywhere and took a long time to wear out. Any experiences with the Bridgestone X20s? Other offerings worth investigating?
Zoom wrote:
Hey Eric, its Larry Hughes. We use the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft on our Yamaha race bikes and they work great at 3 Palms, Rio...
Hey Eric, its Larry Hughes.

We use the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft on our Yamaha race bikes and they work great at 3 Palms, Rio and Freedom. Last longer that anything else we have tried.

My Alta demo bikes have the Bridgestone X30 on them from the factory and I will be replacing them soon with the Star Cross 5.

Good luck!
Thanks Larry.

I rotate between those three tracks frequently. As you know, Rio and Freedom can be super soft or baked clay. And 3p has variations of sandy.

How do the soft versions perform and hold up when track is drier and harder?
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Rhino wrote:
Is there a crossover chart like the above for all brands?


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434 your running to low an air pressure. Seems to happen at pressures under 13 psi
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seth505 wrote:
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20...
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20 to compare, sorry.
How are the X30s performance-wise?
They are really good overall but the Dunlop front tire especially is more comfortable for me. It tracks in some cases where I think I should be crashing (usually when messing up a corner). That said, they are probably only great in medium to soft terrain so keep that in mind if you primarily ride hardpack.
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Starcross 5 soft.
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Deetsmx wrote:
I run the x20's on my TC250, they last a lot longer than the MX3s and perform similarly. They aren't quite as good when it's dry...
I run the x20's on my TC250, they last a lot longer than the MX3s and perform similarly. They aren't quite as good when it's dry, but it's worth the trade off. I didn't like the x30 when I tried it.
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The M403/M404 that came stock on my Yamaha were TRASH on anything other than medium-hard well packed dirt. Once things got soft it was such a distinct change. The MX3S is way more versatile and I'd take those any day (or the x20 or starcross medium or soft) over the M403/M404 combo.
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Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again. Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works...
Update: bought some Michelins, more info on second page. Would buy them again.

Need some new tires for my '17 Husqvarna TC250. The Dunlop MX3S works really good on softer terrain. They also seem to wear quickly on tracks that start soft but dry out into intermediate/hard.

The best all around tire I had several years back were the Bridgestone 403/404 combo. Seemed to hook up very well most everywhere and took a long time to wear out. Any experiences with the Bridgestone X20s? Other offerings worth investigating?
Zoom wrote:
Hey Eric, its Larry Hughes. We use the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft on our Yamaha race bikes and they work great at 3 Palms, Rio...
Hey Eric, its Larry Hughes.

We use the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft on our Yamaha race bikes and they work great at 3 Palms, Rio and Freedom. Last longer that anything else we have tried.

My Alta demo bikes have the Bridgestone X30 on them from the factory and I will be replacing them soon with the Star Cross 5.

Good luck!
Thanks Larry. I rotate between those three tracks frequently. As you know, Rio and Freedom can be super soft or baked clay. And 3p has variations...
Thanks Larry.

I rotate between those three tracks frequently. As you know, Rio and Freedom can be super soft or baked clay. And 3p has variations of sandy.

How do the soft versions perform and hold up when track is drier and harder?
We tend to stay off Rio and Freedom when they get ultra dry. Nothing short of a hard pack tire will work at those tracks when its a super dry non prep day.

However, we have ridden there when its like that and the Michelin Star Cross 5 soft works decent there, but really works good when the dirt is good at those two tracks and always works well at 3 Palms.

Good luck!!!
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X30 front is not good in my opinion (reminds me of Dunlop mx52 front), X30 rear is average.
Kinda disappointed in Bridgestones X series tires.

Starcross 5 medium rear and soft front is a good combo.
I also like Starcross 5 medium rear and Dunlop MX3S on the front.
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12/11/2017 6:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2017 6:03pm
Pirelli MX32, run higher pressure than you normally would. These tires are very light weight and thin carcass, think 14.5-15psi.

I still love the M403 and 404, they seem to hook up great as long as the track isn’t blown out or sloppy. Seems any other tire I like as much as them wear twice as fast. I’ve never been a Dunlop fan, For how fast they wear I expect them to work better than they do.

I’m hearing the new Metzeler’s are actually a really good tire, I haven’t tried one. Also thought I’d read on here that the new soft terra Michelins weren’t holding up very well either when the terrain gets harder. They are very light weight too so like the Pirelli’s that could be related to under inflation.

Overall I find the Pirelli MX32’s work so good that I don’t mind replacing them more often than some others.
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I've been running the new Metzeler Mid-Softs and they hookup nicely and last much better than most tires in that range.
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seth505 wrote:
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20...
I have a wheelset with the mx3s and another wheelset with the x30 Bridgestones. I like the Dunlops better but I have not tried the x20 to compare, sorry.
How are the X30s performance-wise?
I really liked my X30s front and rear, I have a X40 on the rear now and on the terrain I ride I prefer the X30. My local track, mesquite, is a mixture of clay and sand, in the morning it’s a sloppy mess but hardens up later in the day. X40 still works but I think the 30 works better in a wider variety... and it lasts pretty good too!
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12/11/2017 8:56pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2017 8:57pm
There isn’t a better option, sorry
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12/11/2017 9:28pm
Motofinne wrote:
Pirelli MX32.

In my opinion better performance but they don't last quite as long as the Dunlops.
Agreed, I really like the Pirelli. Just can’t justify when they wear out so fast.

I’ve tried the Starcross soft and didn’t like them. Even with higher air pressure they just didn’t feel right to me.

Dunlop MX3S is still my favorite for all terrain from the NW to San Diego.
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I run the MX32s with around 13 psi depending on the conditions. I start with 13psi and then go by rim scrub. If I go higher than 14psi it starts to lose the predictability I like so much about it. My problem is more the dirt where I ride. It turns directly from mud to concrete, so I need a tyre I can trust. And like nytsmaC said, the performance is worth the lower tyre life on hard pack.
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Dont mix performance and long lasting in the same sentence Smile

Also, what combo you run have a huge impact. Bridgestone rear tires are just to heavy and wide. Dont belong on a bike. Dunlop mousse + bridgestone tire in rear is around 3lbs heavier then pirelli and Michelin. Dunlop mousse good for practice, but for racing Michelin is un-challenged.

Performance for tires, hands down, Pirelli MX32. No competition (maybe new Michelin, have not tried them). Pirelli MX32 with Michelin mousse in rear is the lightest and most competitive combo you can get. Damn, i just drooled all over my keyboard... Tube in front though.

You can flip the rear MX32 when it wears. If you do a lot of hardpacked (afternoon sessions), the knobbies will break after some hours. Pirelli hardpacked version of MX32 - not good.

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Very good point aees. Most of us never even consider the weight of tires and how that varies from brand to brand.

Now I want to see someone do a tire shootout and list all the weights.

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