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I was reading this article about on track contact between racers in MotoGP and I was thinking how different it is in MX.
https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/148904/gibernau-jerez-05-rossi-cl…
For any type of road track racing, you can always establish which bike is behind at the end of the strait by seeing when the last guy pulls his break and and the last front end dips on the last breaker. Then you can see if the racer that is behind has his front tire is equal or ahead at the point of contact. Those 2 facts are a good starting points to analyze on-track contact.
But I dont see those types of good "markers" in cornering contact in MX. Plus "not staying on line / holding your line" in a strait is usually caused by a jump face rut that throws the racer out of line rather than a purposeful move. Obviously MX allows at lot more contact. You're not going to see a racer go down at 100-200 mph after contact in MX, so contact is not as dangerous as road track.
Even tho MX contact is different and more tolerated, what do you think about the forced contact block pass. Sometimes it even takes the guy to the dirt and race direction doesnt ever seem to react. Should we have guidelines for limits of contact in MX.? What kinds of guidelines would be clear and easy to interpret from week to week by different authorities in race direction.?
https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/148904/gibernau-jerez-05-rossi-cl…
For any type of road track racing, you can always establish which bike is behind at the end of the strait by seeing when the last guy pulls his break and and the last front end dips on the last breaker. Then you can see if the racer that is behind has his front tire is equal or ahead at the point of contact. Those 2 facts are a good starting points to analyze on-track contact.
But I dont see those types of good "markers" in cornering contact in MX. Plus "not staying on line / holding your line" in a strait is usually caused by a jump face rut that throws the racer out of line rather than a purposeful move. Obviously MX allows at lot more contact. You're not going to see a racer go down at 100-200 mph after contact in MX, so contact is not as dangerous as road track.
Even tho MX contact is different and more tolerated, what do you think about the forced contact block pass. Sometimes it even takes the guy to the dirt and race direction doesnt ever seem to react. Should we have guidelines for limits of contact in MX.? What kinds of guidelines would be clear and easy to interpret from week to week by different authorities in race direction.?
I think thats promotes very short careers and mob enforcer type racers get to rise to the top (because everyone else is in the hospital)
6 feet minimum.
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No sticks, one guy shoots at stripes with the Q ball, the other guy shoots at solids with the 8 ball, both guys shoot at the same time. Full contact.!! Im not saying we punched each other or tackled each other but there were hockey style "checks" and busted fingers with all the balls zipping around.
I could see that as a TV broadcast sport, MMA Pool Sharks
No 6 feet minimums
The French even threw a cow at King Arthur. It was caught on video in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Aaaahhhhh I get we're all bored but geeezuuuusssss.....
Where do I push 1 for English ?
Okay guys...I'm still somewhat new around here. What is the significance of the "bear" posts. Edjamacate me please.
The awesome, the brilliant, the true genius !!
Over 20 thousand posts and still bringing you the vomit from the bottom of the barrel !!
BobbyM, I stand in awe of your deep intellect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtVeDaZxAXo
Pit Row
Theres even Ralph Nader cool-aid drinkers inside the MMA rings. Theyre called the referee.
PS
I know you couldnt possibly be so uncaring about the careers of guys with real talent. I understand your havin fun stirin the pot. We can continue to play Good Cop, Bad Cop, if you want. Stir and stir away. Every stir brings the thread to the top where somebody mite actually want to make a real comment.
Say it aint so.! We're havin so much fun here. Got to keep the train wreck goin.
Have you ever noticed that when humans watch a train wreck video, as each car flips onto its side, one after another, with each car flipping we make a louder and louder sound, "no, NO, NOOO, NOOOOOO!"
Everybody loves a train wreck.
Plus my original question was really an true question that I wondered what responses I would get. I think I just picked the wrong website to look for a serious answer.
Just two of many incidents come to mind: Rossi and Marquez at the 2015 Sepang MotoGP. Watch the video. Throughout the race, Marquez continued to try to pass in foolish ways, putting both riders in danger. Yet the track officials did nothing. Rossi had finally had enough and masterfully (and rightfully) took Marquez out. The controversy that followed sickened me. Then, take a look at what the FIM did to Falta in the 1974 250 World Motocross Championship. Those two incidents are a couple of bookends, with so many incidents in the 40+ years between them. I have no confidence at all in the sanctioning body officials when it comes to areas as subjective as contact on the track. History consistently backs up my opinion and that is why I feel the way that I do. Once again, I believe in the individual rider's discretion. We don't live in a perfect world. There will always be a few dirty riders, but the damage to our sport will still be far less than allowing rules that will be nothing but giving control to sanctioning bodies that have proven to be incapable of ethical, consistent enforcement. We are all so fortunate to be involved in motocross, the greatest sport in the world. Let's keep it alive for the generations to come with intelligent and informed opinions. Even though we might disagree, I'm glad that you posted this topic.
"Once again, I believe in the individual rider's discretion. We don't live in a perfect world. There will always be a few dirty riders, but the damage to our sport will still be far less than allowing rules that will be nothing but giving control to sanctioning bodies that have proven to be incapable of ethical, consistent enforcement."
Those are very valid points. I don't think individual rider's discretion is enough, but I think we're closer to agreement than you might think.
What is "Golf is yer game, go play It."? That was his first post.
What is "You can't possibly be as stupid as you sound... No way" Is that respectful?
"If you were informed, you would know that his opinion on.... "
This is a thread with a question at the beginning. There's nothing inherently "informed" here other than what is said.
Bobby obviously wanted to play the insult game. I don't mind that game. Look at this whole thread. I've played along with whatever cuts and jams were dished out. Those that wish to be treated with "an IMMENSE level of respect" conduct themselves accordingly. I think it was very obvious that Bobby was having fun insulting. I didn't mind. But apparently you do.
If Bobby is not offended and I'm not offended, why are you offended?
Serious question: if it's fine for the pros the way it is, why are you worried about it?
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