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7/18/2017 2:09 PM

I knew this would get your attention !!!

Anyways, 2 stroke rider here i'm gonna buy a 4 stroke here shortly , i have owned 1 in the past and didnt care to much for it ... different story

Im gonna buy a 250f , not looking to be competitive , looking at the 18 ' crf 250 or the kxf

Questions include -

What was the main learning curve from 2 stroke to 4 stroke for you???

How is cornering ?? slipping the clutch??? how ? sweep in power out ? I feel like i maybe over thinking all of this but i dont wanna spend 7 grand again and not like it , i want to give it a better chance this time..

I have also heard there is ways to tune out engine breaking with the EFI 4 strokes? this was one of the things i didnt like about my previous 250f , it jumped weird because of it , and lost tons of speed into the corners unless slipping this clutch like a 2 stroke ... i have been told so many times not to slip the clutch ...


Basically i just want any advice i can be given !


Thanks!

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2018 crf 250r

7/18/2017 2:23 PM

If you dont like the engine braking, twist the throttle or pull in the clutch. People who complain about engine braking are 14 year old kids who trail ride in 2nd gear.

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7/18/2017 2:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/18/2017 2:30 PM

You're over thinking it. Ride it and then ride it some more. It's not rocket science, twist the throttle.

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7/18/2017 2:52 PM

Disclaimer-I made the transition from two-strokes in '03 so I was riding the more "traditional" 450 at the time, which still had significant engine braking, was more "open bike" (i.e. 500 two-stroke) in feel, etc. I've also spent all of 5 min on a 250f, at which point I waited until the guy who was riding my bike came in, handed his bike back, and swore if I ever rode a smaller bike again it would be a 125 two-stroke ("hate" is an understatement when it came to my impression of the 250f).

All that said, my feeling with the 450's is that over time, they have been made more and more two-stroke like in terms of feel, power delivery and handling. They are still different than a two stroke but they don't feel like the old-school "chuggy" four-strokes. I can't speak to 250f's but I would guess they've been through the same evolution (although all along they were rev-machines so...)

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7/18/2017 3:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/19/2017 7:33 AM

if the two-stroke isn't enough, then you just need to Tryhard-er

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7/18/2017 3:38 PM

Rockinar wrote:

If you dont like the engine braking, twist the throttle or pull in the clutch. People who complain about engine braking are 14 year old kids who trail ride in 2nd gear.

Or upshift.

The transition to a fourstroke gets a lot easier if you ride them in the RPM range that they're made for.

2strokes wanna be rung out.

Thumpers have torque. It wont sound as cool but upshifting will utilize 4stroke reliability, eliminate engine breaking, create better traction, and significantly improve suspension performance.

So much of setup & reliability issues manifest from riders unwilling to ride a 4stroke in the low/mid RPM range. imo.

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7/18/2017 3:39 PM

Also, I recommend a 350.

The power curve/delivery on them has always felt like a good 250t imo. It makes for a easy learning curve.

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7/18/2017 5:58 PM

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7/18/2017 6:36 PM

Main learning curve? Straight gas!

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7/18/2017 6:42 PM

Fuck it, I'm going back to 2 strokes.

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7/18/2017 6:45 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/18/2017 6:46 PM

I went from 250 2 stroke to 450, other than a little bit of jumping time the transition was very easy. The 450 is just electric feeling and easier to ride. The 250 4 stroke feels like a bmx bike!

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7/18/2017 10:04 PM

Monk wrote:

Main learning curve? Straight gas!

And not shaking the can when fueling.... yeah Ive done it more than a few times tongue

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Never try to argue with idiots; they will only bring you down to their level.....and being more experienced, they will beat you at their own game!

2020.5 KTM 450 SXF FE
2006 KX250

7/19/2017 3:21 PM

For me as a lifelong 2 stroke guy it took some time to get used to how the power band works on a 4 stroke and where to shift. I also used way too much clutch out of corners when doing the switch.

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7/19/2017 4:09 PM

Save your money and get a cat. Pet it.

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7/19/2017 6:50 PM

IMO a 250F and 250 two stroke are very similar bikes. Cornering in 2nd or 3rd gear, jumping a lot in 3rd gear. A 250F will require more 4th gear scenarios and youll be on the gas more and coasting less. I know I rode most tracks in 3rd/4th gear on a 250F. The biggest adjustment will be jumping, overall you'll be on the gas more into the faces and you'll probably under jump or jump nose down a lot until you adjust.

What I like about a 250f is that you can carry more momentum than a 450 and the engine braking isn't as pronounced. I ride a 350 now and it seems the best of both worlds, very manageable but drag car power when you need it.

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