All-out VS Supercross

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1/24/2018 1:39 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2018 1:40 PM

I cant believe im saying this but I think Nordic actually hit the jackpot here....They offer so much more flexibility within the game and have listened to the fans with bike noise, whips, and track ruts forming deeper now. Now that they have the outdoor national license I really do think those tracks will dominate supercross in every aspect.


I don't understand Milestone, all of the resources in the world provided with the official license and they deliver a mxgp 4 stadium series with a track editor and great graphics but absolute no changes to gameplay for supercross?

Just think about what they could actually do with this game license..... First of all the fact that there is no whoops and bumps on these tracks is ridiculous SUPERCROSS IS ALL ABOUT WHOOPS SPEED. Why not make them huge so you actually have to slow down before them and master the pace so if you fuck up, your bike loops out or due to setting. Literally something as realistic as that is not in the game, literally nothing. Where are the tight sections that you can maybe 3-3-3 or 1-2-1-2-3-1 LITERALLY simple stuff like this will not be in the game. As well as AI on its hardest difficulty masterable within 10 hrs, like if I played F1 on Legend I will literally never win a race.

In my opinion what Nordic is doing is what a moto game should be like, Yes Supercross looks 10x better graphic wise but they literally got the license and did nothing with it. Its almost like they scanned everyone, made the tracks, and added nothing new to the realism of the bike reaction for supercross specifically, don't get me wrong their outdoor games are fantastic, I just think they dropped the ball on Supercross by not adding these supercross factors into the physics.

Fuck, might as well load up the N64 and over jump everything and blitz the whoops, its actually more realistic, SAD!!

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1/24/2018 1:40 PM

Neither game is even out yet

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1/24/2018 1:58 PM

So All Out has the outdoor national license? wassat

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1/24/2018 2:09 PM

Complaining about one or the other when we're even lucky to have options is pretty hilarious. Saying one is better than the other before either are even out is also quite ridiculous.

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Might order a pizza, take a nap, doesn't really matter.

1/24/2018 2:13 PM

im pretty sure that we will have plenty of awesome stuff to play shortly concering mx/sx....

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1/24/2018 2:25 PM

I have to admit, I got pretty bored with MXGP3 pretty fast. Hold it wide open and slow down for the corners, that's it. I'll still end up buying SX and All Out, and I really don't even play games that much.

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1/24/2018 2:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2018 2:34 PM

All I have seen from All Out is about 10 seconds on a MX/SX bike of game play basically focusing on whips. To me, it looks just like every other MVA game. Nothing for me to be excited about.

If they recapture the magic of the great but difficult Alive Stewart Compound stuff with correct scale and something that required right much skill to master I'd be all about it. But I doubt we get that. Not seeing anything that looks much different than the 14 year old Unleashed. But hoping it's good, regardless.

To the OP, where did you get info they have Outdoor license? Would be great if true but if so, why haven't we heard anything about it? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

I spoke to DC a while back about that exact subject. He said they hope to do such in the future. But didn't give any indication it was anytime soon.

I highly doubt All Out has the license. Sounds like it may happen down the road with some developer but I don't see it happening now. I'd be glad to be wrong but doubt I am.

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1/24/2018 2:33 PM

I guess if theyre too easy buy mx sim and be done with it.

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1/24/2018 6:24 PM

NYmotocross wrote:

I cant believe im saying this but I think Nordic actually hit the jackpot here....They offer so much more flexibility within the game and have listened to the fans with bike noise, whips, and track ruts forming deeper now. Now that they have the outdoor national license I really do think those tracks will dominate supercross in every aspect.


I don't understand Milestone, all of the resources in the world provided with the official license and they deliver a mxgp 4 stadium series with a track editor and great graphics but absolute no changes to gameplay for supercross?

Just think about what they could actually do with this game license..... First of all the fact that there is no whoops and bumps on these tracks is ridiculous SUPERCROSS IS ALL ABOUT WHOOPS SPEED. Why not make them huge so you actually have to slow down before them and master the pace so if you fuck up, your bike loops out or due to setting. Literally something as realistic as that is not in the game, literally nothing. Where are the tight sections that you can maybe 3-3-3 or 1-2-1-2-3-1 LITERALLY simple stuff like this will not be in the game. As well as AI on its hardest difficulty masterable within 10 hrs, like if I played F1 on Legend I will literally never win a race.

In my opinion what Nordic is doing is what a moto game should be like, Yes Supercross looks 10x better graphic wise but they literally got the license and did nothing with it. Its almost like they scanned everyone, made the tracks, and added nothing new to the realism of the bike reaction for supercross specifically, don't get me wrong their outdoor games are fantastic, I just think they dropped the ball on Supercross by not adding these supercross factors into the physics.

Fuck, might as well load up the N64 and over jump everything and blitz the whoops, its actually more realistic, SAD!!

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so they have the outdoor license huh? and how much gameplay have you watched?


and sx is the same as stadium series huh? no changes?


lol. you’re delusional bro

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1/24/2018 6:53 PM

Nordic/THQ has made one shit game after another. I'm sure All Out won't be any better. Despite its similarities to MXGP3 it's still way better than any MX game Nordic has ever made. By the way the SX game will look much better once they hand the controller to someone who actually knows how to play the game.

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1/24/2018 7:06 PM

Juice_Mann wrote:

Nordic/THQ has made one shit game after another. I'm sure All Out won't be any better. Despite its similarities to MXGP3 it's still way better than any MX game Nordic has ever made. By the way the SX game will look much better once they hand the controller to someone who actually knows how to play the game.

Lol

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1/24/2018 8:21 PM

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1/24/2018 10:25 PM

NYmotocross wrote:

I cant believe im saying this but I think Nordic actually hit the jackpot here....They offer so much more flexibility within the game and have listened to the fans with bike noise, whips, and track ruts forming deeper now. Now that they have the outdoor national license I really do think those tracks will dominate supercross in every aspect.


I don't understand Milestone, all of the resources in the world provided with the official license and they deliver a mxgp 4 stadium series with a track editor and great graphics but absolute no changes to gameplay for supercross?

Just think about what they could actually do with this game license..... First of all the fact that there is no whoops and bumps on these tracks is ridiculous SUPERCROSS IS ALL ABOUT WHOOPS SPEED. Why not make them huge so you actually have to slow down before them and master the pace so if you fuck up, your bike loops out or due to setting. Literally something as realistic as that is not in the game, literally nothing. Where are the tight sections that you can maybe 3-3-3 or 1-2-1-2-3-1 LITERALLY simple stuff like this will not be in the game. As well as AI on its hardest difficulty masterable within 10 hrs, like if I played F1 on Legend I will literally never win a race.

In my opinion what Nordic is doing is what a moto game should be like, Yes Supercross looks 10x better graphic wise but they literally got the license and did nothing with it. Its almost like they scanned everyone, made the tracks, and added nothing new to the realism of the bike reaction for supercross specifically, don't get me wrong their outdoor games are fantastic, I just think they dropped the ball on Supercross by not adding these supercross factors into the physics.

Fuck, might as well load up the N64 and over jump everything and blitz the whoops, its actually more realistic, SAD!!

End Rant

Agreed. The only thing that bothers me is like all of their games, when you jump, it's not "floaty" enough. I don't think that's actually a word, but its just the bike doesn't have suspension. It just goes off the jump without any compression of the suspension and there isn't enough hang time. And maybe still a bit to fast. If any of what I just said made any sense.

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1/25/2018 12:05 AM

read a bit..too much politics...... im buying both and beating both campaign modes before Ill play online. Just pumped to have some good entertainment, and theres two completely different games to boot! Imagine if they were both the same?! .... whats everyones end game here ?! lol

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1/25/2018 12:19 AM

hyler199 wrote:

read a bit..too much politics...... im buying both and beating both campaign modes before Ill play online. Just pumped to have some good entertainment, and theres two completely different games to boot! Imagine if they were both the same?! .... whats everyones end game here ?! lol

You sir make too much sense, get outta here.

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1/25/2018 5:11 AM

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1/25/2018 5:12 AM

holtergeist797 wrote:

so they have the outdoor license huh? and how much gameplay have you watched?


and sx is the same as stadium series huh? no changes?


lol. you’re delusional bro

Tuck your ears back under your hat.

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1/25/2018 7:01 AM

They do have the outdoor license, it was confirmed on their facebook page stating they have news regarding that later down the road.

Don't know if anyone here is blind but no matter who is playing, the whoops are 1 inch tall, no different line selection, and it looks like there is no sort of rhythm on any of the gameplay tracks, WHICH IS SUPERCROSS. THIS IS NOT MOTOCROSS the physics have to react completely different and they don't look like that are supercross based.

No reason is should be that hard to clear a double and triples should not be separated that far into the only line option. I guess no one else analyzed the gameplay footage and just saw wow nice graphics!

They basically made a game for kids to play as their heros.

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Justin Cooper is the future.

1/25/2018 7:24 AM

so I just watched a new gameplay video, there are options for whoops size and saw some good sections put together..... my not be that bad

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1/25/2018 7:32 AM

Be thankful they even keep producing these games in general. I've been waiting over a decade for someone to release a decent rugby game.

As realistic as you want it, let's be fair, people are always going to nitpick and argue that it could be better.

If you're that pissed off with it then grab your helmet, jump on your dirt bike and go out riding if you want it to be that realistic.

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1/25/2018 8:29 AM

Spydee wrote:

Be thankful they even keep producing these games in general. I've been waiting over a decade for someone to release a decent rugby game.

As realistic as you want it, let's be fair, people are always going to nitpick and argue that it could be better.

If you're that pissed off with it then grab your helmet, jump on your dirt bike and go out riding if you want it to be that realistic.

It's called Madden.... Oh wait

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1/25/2018 10:08 AM

Spydee wrote:

Be thankful they even keep producing these games in general. I've been waiting over a decade for someone to release a decent rugby game.

As realistic as you want it, let's be fair, people are always going to nitpick and argue that it could be better.

If you're that pissed off with it then grab your helmet, jump on your dirt bike and go out riding if you want it to be that realistic.

I was explaining that they could of included pretty minor adjustments that are important to a supercross game, if that does not bother you then wait another year for one

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Justin Cooper is the future.

1/25/2018 10:21 AM

The whips in All Out look a little strange because the rider doesn't move his head. He's always looking at his front fender. Wasn't like that in Reflex. Hopefully it's just early gameplay stuff.

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1/25/2018 10:28 AM

I seen nothing on their facebook saying that they have the license for the ama national series.

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1/25/2018 12:21 PM

moto282 wrote:

The whips in All Out look a little strange because the rider doesn't move his head. He's always looking at his front fender. Wasn't like that in Reflex. Hopefully it's just early gameplay stuff.

Still better than having scripted whips that don't even look good.

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1/25/2018 3:25 PM

We haven't had this kind of choice to make since VHS and beta-max

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1/25/2018 3:39 PM

MR. X wrote:

We haven't had this kind of choice to make since VHS and beta-max

I know what VHS are but WTF is beta-max?

Serious question. I'd like to know. Thanks.

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1/25/2018 3:50 PM

MR. X wrote:

We haven't had this kind of choice to make since VHS and beta-max

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I know what VHS are but WTF is beta-max?

Serious question. I'd like to know. Thanks.

Beta-Max was the competing platform to VHS. More people chose VHS and Beta went away.

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1/25/2018 3:59 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/25/2018 4:00 PM

MR. X wrote:

We haven't had this kind of choice to make since VHS and beta-max

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I know what VHS are but WTF is beta-max?

Serious question. I'd like to know. Thanks.

Think HDDVD vs. Blue Ray

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1/25/2018 4:04 PM

MR. X wrote:

We haven't had this kind of choice to make since VHS and beta-max

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I know what VHS are but WTF is beta-max?

Serious question. I'd like to know. Thanks.

Falcon wrote:

Beta-Max was the competing platform to VHS. More people chose VHS and Beta went away.

I see and zehn explained it with modern things I know about. I've heard of HDDVD but I don't think I've ever actually seen one.

All clear. Thanks for the explanation.

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