Alex Martin JGR 2019?

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

A stock 250f would not make the same hp as an early factory 250f thats just retarded. Ppl seems to have forgotten about the hp war...

A stock 250f would not make the same hp as an early factory 250f thats just retarded. Ppl seems to have forgotten about the hp war back in the day and for example although a ktm 250 2stroke today have way more bottom and mid hp than the Ones from the early 2000's had (around 4-5hp more bottom/mid) the early ones had around 2.5hp more at the top. And back then ppl didnt understand as well that chassis is even more important than peak hp so all their efforts went into the engines.

For example the fastest (enginewise) 450 i've ever rode was my old 2005 crf, it was waaay more violent than my old 2014 ktm 450 , 2012 ysf 450 or my friends 2018 crf 450. And even a 2001 426 i believe would probably make more peak hp than a 2011 yzf 450 even tho the curve would be completly different on the newer bike. Fuck i remember seing bartolini winning the 500gp in Västerås sweden 97 or 98 on a yzm400 and beating smets 600, efreim and hanssons 500 2 strokes etc and that was probably the first 4 stroke that made the same hp as the bigger bikes but with a lighter and more nimble chassi

ML512 wrote:

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread...

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread was even better.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

A stock 250f would not make the same hp as an early factory 250f thats just retarded. Ppl seems to have forgotten about the hp war...

A stock 250f would not make the same hp as an early factory 250f thats just retarded. Ppl seems to have forgotten about the hp war back in the day and for example although a ktm 250 2stroke today have way more bottom and mid hp than the Ones from the early 2000's had (around 4-5hp more bottom/mid) the early ones had around 2.5hp more at the top. And back then ppl didnt understand as well that chassis is even more important than peak hp so all their efforts went into the engines.

For example the fastest (enginewise) 450 i've ever rode was my old 2005 crf, it was waaay more violent than my old 2014 ktm 450 , 2012 ysf 450 or my friends 2018 crf 450. And even a 2001 426 i believe would probably make more peak hp than a 2011 yzf 450 even tho the curve would be completly different on the newer bike. Fuck i remember seing bartolini winning the 500gp in Västerås sweden 97 or 98 on a yzm400 and beating smets 600, efreim and hanssons 500 2 strokes etc and that was probably the first 4 stroke that made the same hp as the bigger bikes but with a lighter and more nimble chassi

ML512 wrote:

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread...

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread was even better.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of...

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of the slowest 250f's ever made. Doubt a new stock ktm would have more hp than a lets say 06 factory ktm.

ML512 wrote:

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread...

Straight from Ian Harrison’s mouth that a current KTM 250 SX-F is making about the same HP as their early factory RM-Z250s and the current spread was even better.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of...

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of the slowest 250f's ever made. Doubt a new stock ktm would have more hp than a lets say 06 factory ktm.

jbrown15 wrote:

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy...

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy to get another 8hp out of those motors at the time, which puts them at what stock HP numbers are at now. They didn’t have magic ECU’s back then either.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of...

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of the slowest 250f's ever made. Doubt a new stock ktm would have more hp than a lets say 06 factory ktm.

jbrown15 wrote:

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy...

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy to get another 8hp out of those motors at the time, which puts them at what stock HP numbers are at now. They didn’t have magic ECU’s back then either.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen...

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen was 38.5hp for a 18 and with 2004 bikes Making 35hp stock there is no way a factory bike then made less than a stock one today.

15 is a bit much but 10-12 easily. You could get more out of them but that would be risking it..

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of...

I believe it when i see a dyno comparison. But to be fair ktm is the fastest 250f and they r comparing it against one of the slowest 250f's ever made. Doubt a new stock ktm would have more hp than a lets say 06 factory ktm.

jbrown15 wrote:

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy...

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy to get another 8hp out of those motors at the time, which puts them at what stock HP numbers are at now. They didn’t have magic ECU’s back then either.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen...

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen was 38.5hp for a 18 and with 2004 bikes Making 35hp stock there is no way a factory bike then made less than a stock one today.

15 is a bit much but 10-12 easily. You could get more out of them but that would be risking it..

jbrown15 wrote:

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy...

The stock 250f’s in 2004 were making 35hp, do you honestly think they were getting another 15hp out of race motors? They would have been happy to get another 8hp out of those motors at the time, which puts them at what stock HP numbers are at now. They didn’t have magic ECU’s back then either.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen...

Bro there you have it, mxa got 35.5 rest wheel hp out of a new sxf250 last year i think, max number i have ever seen was 38.5hp for a 18 and with 2004 bikes Making 35hp stock there is no way a factory bike then made less than a stock one today.

15 is a bit much but 10-12 easily. You could get more out of them but that would be risking it..

jbrown15 wrote:

This is starting to get this thread off topic, last year both KTM and obviously Husky both made over 40hp, there’s a bunch of different shootout...

This is starting to get this thread off topic, last year both KTM and obviously Husky both made over 40hp, there’s a bunch of different shootout dynos showing those bikes making 41hp. So 6hp more than 250f’s back in 2004 when Stew was racing his 125 against 250’s. And sadly the current Suzuki 250 is making around the same hp numbers as those 2004-2005 250f’s.

A stock Suzuki is down about 15% hp compared to a few of the other current top bikes. My whole point is no matter how you slice it the Suzuki is down on power, if stock is down compared to the other brands a totally modded factory motor will still be down on power compared to the other bikes with factory modded motors.