Alessi '03 Claimed Super Mini FOUND!!!

Try contacting VarnerMotorsports.com or at this number:
(909) 227-6156
They are based in California by the way

I was there that day and remember the drama well. Millsaps and Hepler were hauling the mail that week.

why would tony alessi protest when mike won a race?

shit that's as bad as gman protesting the doc after having dinner and staying over at the docs house the night before. hell doc even said his Labrador was pregnant after gman left...hmmm. that's a cold shot gman.

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE PROPORTIONS and a few others were also standing there when it when it was mentioned that Chatfield had claimed the bike, and we all looked at each other and said "Is that stil on the books?"
It had been so long since a claim, most all of us thought it had been removed from the rulebook.

Varner was pissed, really pissed.
When I talked to him, he was telling me how many hours he had into it and that was his trophy.
I saw them put the bike in a trailer, lock it up until they hashed it all out and the Chatfield's walked away with it

Nice find!

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE ...more

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE PROPORTIONS and a few others were also standing there when it when it was mentioned that Chatfield had claimed the bike, and we all looked at each other and said "Is that stil on the books?"
It had been so long since a claim, most all of us thought it had been removed from the rulebook.

Varner was pissed, really pissed.
When I talked to him, he was telling me how many hours he had into it and that was his trophy.
I saw them put the bike in a trailer, lock it up until they hashed it all out and the Chatfield's walked away with it

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This is what I've heard. Were Mike and the bike on the podium when all of this went down? Are there any podium pictures that I might be able to get a hold of?

Just out of curiosity what makes you think that is the bike that got claimed and not just one of Mike's 85s?

I just gained a whole new perspective and respect for the Chatfields (not that I dis'd them before). Sounds like total karma to me, if the story of the Ponca City claim is true.
"What goes around comes around"

I guess the universe got the alessis back that day

mxknowitall wrote:

Just out of curiosity what makes you think that is the bike that got claimed and not just one of Mike's 85s?

mxknowitall wrote:

Just out of curiosity what makes you think that is the bike that got claimed and not just one of Mike's 85s?

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There are several things that prove that this is THE bike that got claimed.

I have the "chain of custody' of the bike. Moreover, the modifications that Varner did to this particular bike are unmistakable.

I someone will let me know how to upload pics in an easy manner, I will post up some of the things that can be seen outside the engine.

What ever happened to Adam Chatfield anyways?

xnationalwrench wrote:

Try contacting VarnerMotorsports.com or at this number:
(909) 227-6156
They are based in California by the way

xnationalwrench wrote:

Try contacting VarnerMotorsports.com or at this number:
(909) 227-6156
They are based in California by the way

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That would be my first call

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE ...more

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE PROPORTIONS and a few others were also standing there when it when it was mentioned that Chatfield had claimed the bike, and we all looked at each other and said "Is that stil on the books?"
It had been so long since a claim, most all of us thought it had been removed from the rulebook.

Varner was pissed, really pissed.
When I talked to him, he was telling me how many hours he had into it and that was his trophy.
I saw them put the bike in a trailer, lock it up until they hashed it all out and the Chatfield's walked away with it

...more

Oldskool wrote:

This is what I've heard. Were Mike and the bike on the podium when all of this went down? Are there any podium pictures that I ...more

Oldskool wrote:

This is what I've heard. Were Mike and the bike on the podium when all of this went down? Are there any podium pictures that I might be able to get a hold of?

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Yeah, Mike was still on the podium, Terry Varner and Tony where pitching a fit to the left of the podium (mike's right)

BTW, I am not sure that is the supermini after looking at the pictures
Wheels look smaller and pipe looks wrong. Terry had some special made pipe on it if I remember right

mx295....you owe me a laptop screen! kept tryin to kill that damn bug till i stabbed it with a #2 phillips

pcdoc wrote:

I just gained a whole new perspective and respect for the Chatfields (not that I dis'd them before). Sounds like total karma ...more

pcdoc wrote:

I just gained a whole new perspective and respect for the Chatfields (not that I dis'd them before). Sounds like total karma to me, if the story of the Ponca City claim is true.
"What goes around comes around"

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That is part of the legend and it was no secret it was retribution

Personally, I think it was bullshit
Varner had a shitload of time into that bike and my understanding was Terry was supposed to get the bike when it was all over, that was his trophy
The Chatfield's jacked Varner, not the Alessi's

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE ...more

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE PROPORTIONS and a few others were also standing there when it when it was mentioned that Chatfield had claimed the bike, and we all looked at each other and said "Is that stil on the books?"
It had been so long since a claim, most all of us thought it had been removed from the rulebook.

Varner was pissed, really pissed.
When I talked to him, he was telling me how many hours he had into it and that was his trophy.
I saw them put the bike in a trailer, lock it up until they hashed it all out and the Chatfield's walked away with it

...more

Oldskool wrote:

This is what I've heard. Were Mike and the bike on the podium when all of this went down? Are there any podium pictures that I ...more

Oldskool wrote:

This is what I've heard. Were Mike and the bike on the podium when all of this went down? Are there any podium pictures that I might be able to get a hold of?

...more

flarider wrote:

Yeah, Mike was still on the podium, Terry Varner and Tony where pitching a fit to the left of the podium (mike's right)

BTW, ...more

flarider wrote:

Yeah, Mike was still on the podium, Terry Varner and Tony where pitching a fit to the left of the podium (mike's right)

BTW, I am not sure that is the supermini after looking at the pictures
Wheels look smaller and pipe looks wrong. Terry had some special made pipe on it if I remember right

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It's is the bike because I also have verified the VIN with the referee that handled the claim.

The pipe on the bike is not an "off the shelf" pipe. I'm still working on some of the details and that's why I'm looking for as many pictures as I can find.

The radiator that was on the bike was destroyed when Chatfield crashed the bike later. I'm told that Adam raced the bike at the Mini O's that year just to rub it in but I am looking for any pics of Adam ever racing this bike just to verify.

Any help would be seriously appreciated.

flarider wrote:

Yeah, Mike was still on the podium, Terry Varner and Tony where pitching a fit to the left of the podium (mike's right)

BTW, ...more

flarider wrote:

Yeah, Mike was still on the podium, Terry Varner and Tony where pitching a fit to the left of the podium (mike's right)

BTW, I am not sure that is the supermini after looking at the pictures
Wheels look smaller and pipe looks wrong. Terry had some special made pipe on it if I remember right

...more

Believe the Pype!

Oldskool wrote:

It's is the bike because I also have verified the VIN with the referee that handled the claim.

The pipe on the bike is not an ...more

Oldskool wrote:

It's is the bike because I also have verified the VIN with the referee that handled the claim.

The pipe on the bike is not an "off the shelf" pipe. I'm still working on some of the details and that's why I'm looking for as many pictures as I can find.

The radiator that was on the bike was destroyed when Chatfield crashed the bike later. I'm told that Adam raced the bike at the Mini O's that year just to rub it in but I am looking for any pics of Adam ever racing this bike just to verify.

Any help would be seriously appreciated.

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I was told Adam rode it a few times at home and shelved it

It's hard to tell from the pics

If the vin matches, you win.
(you talked to Carnegie? I think he dealt with it. How is he?)

I haven't spoken with Carnegie yet. I spoke with Richard White yesterday prior to my buying the bike. He was the other referee (according to him) and he told me the VIN and that matches the bike that I have.

Adam actually traded this bike in to D&S Kawasaki and it sat on the owner's credenza for a few years prior to being sold to the person that I bought it from. The ownership / possession of this bike is rock solid.

Neat-O. Seriously a piece of modern mx history.

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE ...more

flarider wrote:

I was standing in on the bottom deck of the Fox tower next to Tom Morgan watching Varner throw a shit fit of MASSIVE PROPORTIONS and a few others were also standing there when it when it was mentioned that Chatfield had claimed the bike, and we all looked at each other and said "Is that stil on the books?"
It had been so long since a claim, most all of us thought it had been removed from the rulebook.

Varner was pissed, really pissed.
When I talked to him, he was telling me how many hours he had into it and that was his trophy.
I saw them put the bike in a trailer, lock it up until they hashed it all out and the Chatfield's walked away with it

...more

great story to the bike guys...thanks

Ing wrote:

Neat-O. Seriously a piece of modern mx history.

Ing wrote:

Neat-O. Seriously a piece of modern mx history.

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Pretty cool story, maybe I'm a bit negative here, but other than a cool story between a few hardcore mx-fans around here does this bike really have a value as a collector item? Especially since I don't see MA getting any titles. Maybe if it's get restored and was used for racing? I guess it's probably still very competitive since there seems to be no or little evolution going on in the mini class?

Just saying of course...

Ing wrote:

Neat-O. Seriously a piece of modern mx history.

Ing wrote:

Neat-O. Seriously a piece of modern mx history.

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DrSweden wrote:

Pretty cool story, maybe I'm a bit negative here, but other than a cool story between a few hardcore mx-fans around here does ...more

DrSweden wrote:

Pretty cool story, maybe I'm a bit negative here, but other than a cool story between a few hardcore mx-fans around here does this bike really have a value as a collector item? Especially since I don't see MA getting any titles. Maybe if it's get restored and was used for racing? I guess it's probably still very competitive since there seems to be no or little evolution going on in the mini class?

Just saying of course...

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Valid questions

Had Mike lived up to the hype, the bike would have a lot of value
As it is now, it as some value above blue book, but only to a true collector and more for the story. Up until that bike was claimed, the claim rule was considered dead and forgotten.

flarider wrote:

That is part of the legend and it was no secret it was retribution

Personally, I think it was bullshit
Varner had a shitload ...more

flarider wrote:

That is part of the legend and it was no secret it was retribution

Personally, I think it was bullshit
Varner had a shitload of time into that bike and my understanding was Terry was supposed to get the bike when it was all over, that was his trophy
The Chatfield's jacked Varner, not the Alessi's

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flarider, I respect your opinion on this one, and I don't know Terry at all...nor the agreement on his trophy for his work invested. I was really refering to the irony of a rider (any rider) claiming a guys bike and losing the claim, then getting his bike protested and losing his OWN claim...just sayin
Bottom line...one family was cheating, one was not.

Oldskool wrote:

I haven't spoken with Carnegie yet. I spoke with Richard White yesterday prior to my buying the bike. He was the other referee ...more

Oldskool wrote:

I haven't spoken with Carnegie yet. I spoke with Richard White yesterday prior to my buying the bike. He was the other referee (according to him) and he told me the VIN and that matches the bike that I have.

Adam actually traded this bike in to D&S Kawasaki and it sat on the owner's credenza for a few years prior to being sold to the person that I bought it from. The ownership / possession of this bike is rock solid.

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lol, it sat behind the owners desk... i've seen that bike a million times over the years and dwhite never told me that story. not implying its not true.. just gonna kick rich in the nuts for not saying anything.

Pretty cool, looks like the bike. how did you find it and what did you pick it up for? Just wondering what a piece of history goes for..

pcdoc wrote:

I just gained a whole new perspective and respect for the Chatfields (not that I dis'd them before). Sounds like total karma ...more

pcdoc wrote:

I just gained a whole new perspective and respect for the Chatfields (not that I dis'd them before). Sounds like total karma to me, if the story of the Ponca City claim is true.
"What goes around comes around"

...more

flarider wrote:

That is part of the legend and it was no secret it was retribution

Personally, I think it was bullshit
Varner had a shitload ...more

flarider wrote:

That is part of the legend and it was no secret it was retribution

Personally, I think it was bullshit
Varner had a shitload of time into that bike and my understanding was Terry was supposed to get the bike when it was all over, that was his trophy
The Chatfield's jacked Varner, not the Alessi's

...more

pcdoc wrote:

flarider, I respect your opinion on this one, and I don't know Terry at all...nor the agreement on his trophy for his work ...more

pcdoc wrote:

flarider, I respect your opinion on this one, and I don't know Terry at all...nor the agreement on his trophy for his work invested. I was really refering to the irony of a rider (any rider) claiming a guys bike and losing the claim, then getting his bike protested and losing his OWN claim...just sayin
Bottom line...one family was cheating, one was not.

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To clarify:
At Ponca the Alessi's protested Adam's bike as illegal. After teardown, it was found to be legal. FYI, usually after a teardown, you get it back in a box, unassembled, and even if assembled, would you trust the re-assembly? No, so you have to take it apart and reassemble if returned assembled.
It's just a bitch all the way around

So, Ol Man Chatfield plotted his revenge and showed at LL's with a wad of cash, because it's a cash only process.