After watching mxgp race today we need more nationals and less supercross!!

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mx317 3/5/2018 1:28pm
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What really stands out to me every MXGP i watch is that its so nice watching the riders able to use the entire track surface to...
What really stands out to me every MXGP i watch is that its so nice watching the riders able to use the entire track surface to find lines, whereas here the nationals are slot car racing in 2ft deep ruts along the entire track.
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes. Every track now is being plowed like Jed plows the back forty and racing has suffered because of it.
RichardLoots 3/5/2018 1:30pm
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Totally agree. I'm already starting to worry about MXON. That's hands down the best event of the year.
for MXON its a different story , if USA can get Tomac,Osborne and Andersson , they are def the favorite ... only 1 country could maybe compete and thats France .. no other country has 3 real good riders that can win a moto
we got Herlings , thats it ...Coldenhoff is a top 10 , maybe top 5 on a very good day and 3rd rider Bogers or maybe Vlaanderen would struggle to get top 10 ... Italy same story , Belgium are decent , dont have winners for a moto but with 3 riders inside top 5 to 10 always a podium contender

Im pretty sure if the USA lines up with those 3 riders and dont make a mistake they are going to win it ... no doubt , most likely dont win all moto's but you dont need it to win MXON .. we do need Herlings to win both moto's to get a shot at the podium
RichardLoots 3/5/2018 1:33pm
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Those four races were cool in the fact that they all almost had different moto winners in every race. Musquin threw away an easy win at...
Those four races were cool in the fact that they all almost had different moto winners in every race. Musquin threw away an easy win at Ironman and AC tipped over at the USGP.

In all these pissing matches its Musquin I feel we leave out the most, he had the fastest laps at Ironman 17 and was a crash away from winning 5 of the last 6 nationals yet he is always glossed over in the discussion for fastest MX rider. He was a double MX2 world champ that left the GPs making it easier for Roczen and then Herlings to win races and titles and really found his grove outdoors yet no one brings him the discussion. IMO he is easily the best French rider in the world.
exactly , at the moment Musquin is the fastest of the french riders .. and one of the fastest around the world
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come on guys ! healthy bagette outdoors is on par with herlings and tomac ! you only can compare riders when they ride together on the same track same class ! i was blown away with cornerspeed @ atlanta ...love this sport !

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Sorry guys as I never meant to start another war on here about the Euros vs USA, I was just voicing my opinion on how I wish our top guys could put more time into actual motocross and really want to race against the best in the world and with supercross,monster energy cup and everything else I get it and know that money is better and all that with the supercross gig but to imagine as someone posted earlier the top 20 from both sides of the pond doing battle on a track like they raced this weekend in Argentina would be moto porn IMO!! We are all winners on this website cause everyone here loves motocross racing at any level and with technology nowadays you can watch racing from Atlanta to Russia in same weekend!! I have followed the mxgp boys since decoster days and our guys as well long before supercross became the big thing in the USA and we were dominant for long time and now to me things have shifted!! No biggie,and as Ralph says Drop the Gate already
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I still make America favourites at the MXoN because they don’t race Europe as a team. Europe’s best guys are split up. Desalle, Febvre, Jonass, Cairoli...
I still make America favourites at the MXoN because they don’t race Europe as a team. Europe’s best guys are split up. Desalle, Febvre, Jonass, Cairoli and Herlings racing for different countries gives USA a huge chance, USA can pick the three best riders from an entire continent, no other country can do that and there is no team Europe at the MXoN.

That’s why racing the MXGP world championship is the true test and barometer for who the best is outdoor, not MXoN team results.

But MXGP shouldnt be seen as US v them, it’s time to end that nonesense, it’s the WORLD championship and America are part of the world - it’s your championship too. Everyone should enjoy the championship and feel part of it.
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Nice to see you have'nt changed. I didn't know the USA could take Canadian or Mexican riders? There are 23 independent States that make up North...
Nice to see you have'nt changed. I didn't know the USA could take Canadian or Mexican riders? There are 23 independent States that make up North America. THe USA is 1 of them The Netherlands just proved that size doesn't matter in the Olympics. Why? Because winter sports matter in that country. It's their passion and past time. Outside the guys on this board, no one cares about MX/SX in the USA. It's a fringe sport at best.
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The best guys on the N. American continent are from the USA, so they get the best guys on the continent. Size does matter, why do...
The best guys on the N. American continent are from the USA, so they get the best guys on the continent.

Size does matter, why do the USA not choose a team from one state? Because the team would be weaker with less riders to choose from. And would Belgium have a better chance if it was the size of Europe so they could pick, Jonass, Herlings and Cairoli? Yes.

If it was team Europe v USA, it’s much harder for USA to win the race than a MXoN country v country event due to the size advantage of the USA and the amount of riders they can choose from. It’s pretty logical.
The use of population as a barometer is not logical. Again, Norway just crushed the USA in Olympic medals yet the USA has 318 million more people. By your logic, that should never happen. Why does it happen? Because in Norway, the winter sports are important and for the most part the premier sports in the country and they draw the best athletes. Not so much in the USA. No one cares about MX/SX on a global basis in the USA. It's a fringe/niche sport at best. I would be surprised if it's in the top 10 in youth participation. If population was the determining factor, China and India would dominate everything.
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kkawboy14 3/5/2018 2:12pm
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Norway? The whole country is a winter sport.......Texas? Not so much!
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cable 3/5/2018 2:19pm
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euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is come mxdn.
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Shaned9326 3/5/2018 2:21pm
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Norway? The whole country is a winter sport.......Texas? Not so much!
That’s pretty funny right there!! All I know is I wish I could buy everyone on this page the damn mxgp season pass and by the end of the season I think some might think differently!!
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As I have stated I love both disciplines. To me they are completely different sports. In a perfect world SX guys should not race MX and vice versa. Do pro soccer players play pro basketball in the off season just because the ball is similar?
To bad there are not enough rides in the world to have 20 factory SX riders and 40 different factory MX riders.
Think about it. This sport is so small that we can't have a total of 60 factory riders in the entire world. Puts it in perspective.
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yak651 3/5/2018 4:37pm
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Ok, just watched the race on CBS Sports. First things first, that track looks amazing! That would be bucket list item to ride that! So maybe it was the CBS coverage and since you only get highlights of first moto and then 2nd moto with badly scheduled comercial breaks...Yes the first couple laps and the last 2 laps were great the middle of the racing wasn't anything special. I'm pretty sure Tomac, Bagget, and Anderson would be ripping on that track also.
Brownstone322 3/5/2018 5:59pm
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Would be a clean house huh? Assuming everyone is healthy it would be... GP's AMA AC.......... Roczen Herlings........ Tomac Gasjer........ Baggett Febvre........ Musquin DeSalle........ Anderson Paulin...
Would be a clean house huh? Assuming everyone is healthy it would be...

GP's AMA
AC.......... Roczen
Herlings........ Tomac
Gasjer........ Baggett
Febvre........ Musquin
DeSalle........ Anderson
Paulin....... Barcia
JVH....... Webb
Anstie........ Osburone
Simpson........ Wilson
Lieber........ Pieck
Coldenhoff....... Seely
Seewer....... Bogle
Bobryshev....... Grant
Jasikonis...... Tickle
Nagl....... Bloss


Thats the top 15 or there about, When its all written down I dont know who would win. I know the sport better than 99.9% of guys on here and I couldn't tell you. IMO there are 4 Elite MX riders in the GPs with DeSalle knocking on the door and Paulin will have his day. In the AMA I think there are 5 with 2 of them being former world champs and If Barcia carries over from SX it would be 6. With a bigger gap on back and of course we dont know how Osburone will do.

A top 20 race would be great and only a complete Idiot would declare that they know the winner before the drop of the gate. As always injuries would be the single biggest factor like they always are. I do agree with the AC statement you would have to be an idiot to say he couldn't compete. AC is one of a kind, he is the same age as Stewart and 3 years older than RV 4 years older than RD and 5 years older than Canrard and he is still out there ripping.

I do love these arguments but sadly no one can argue correctly they always get to caught up in the hype weather it be some people now with GPs or 5 years ago when no one gave AC the time of day because he had not won the MxDN yet even though he had 6 world titles and nearly 60 gp wins to his name at the time. Nobody thinks for themselves they jump on the hype train and launch off.
Wait a second, I had to do a double-take on that. My premise was (and always has been) USA vs. Europe, like the Ryder Cup. AMA and FIM has nothing to do with this, not in my mind. These four guys all line up for Europe, same as they'd line up for their respective nations:

Herlings
Cairoli
Musquin
Roczen

And Team USA gets Covington. As I said to begin with, Europe cleans house.

Here's another way of looking at it: The AMA depends on Europe for some of its top talent; MXGP doesn't need anything from the US, although I'd like to see, say, Tomac, Anderson, and Baggett (and Musquin and Roczen) all in MXGP. That would rock.



DrinkMoreWater 3/5/2018 7:10pm
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In a perfect world I wish there was a schedule that MXGP didn't interfere with Supercross and the US guys would race the GP's with full focus and importance.

A perfect world..

Reality is American organisations run on a capitalist system, they love stadiums fireworks and circus reality TV type of models, if they could they would put the outdoor series in a stadium.
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Shaned9326 3/5/2018 7:33pm
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In a perfect world I wish there was a schedule that MXGP didn't interfere with Supercross and the US guys would race the GP's with full...
In a perfect world I wish there was a schedule that MXGP didn't interfere with Supercross and the US guys would race the GP's with full focus and importance.

A perfect world..

Reality is American organisations run on a capitalist system, they love stadiums fireworks and circus reality TV type of models, if they could they would put the outdoor series in a stadium.
Spot on!! That’s why it’s a hard pill to swallow when our top guys won’t show up at a mxgp race when they come all the way here to race!! I understand about Gisseppe and all the bs that comes with it but regardless if our top guys would line up to race it would be awesome and could be our mx des nations early!! I mean Herlings showed up her on a Tuesday, hung with Aldon for a day; borrowed Canards bike and then showed up at iron man two days later just to be able to race our best guys!! Say what ya want but that took balls as he had nothing to gain and plenty to lose!! Maybe we will start a vital rewards program from donations for the USA guys that will actually come race just to see where they stand!!??????
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yak651 3/5/2018 7:41pm
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Park Boys wrote:
Would be a clean house huh? Assuming everyone is healthy it would be... GP's AMA AC.......... Roczen Herlings........ Tomac Gasjer........ Baggett Febvre........ Musquin DeSalle........ Anderson Paulin...
Would be a clean house huh? Assuming everyone is healthy it would be...

GP's AMA
AC.......... Roczen
Herlings........ Tomac
Gasjer........ Baggett
Febvre........ Musquin
DeSalle........ Anderson
Paulin....... Barcia
JVH....... Webb
Anstie........ Osburone
Simpson........ Wilson
Lieber........ Pieck
Coldenhoff....... Seely
Seewer....... Bogle
Bobryshev....... Grant
Jasikonis...... Tickle
Nagl....... Bloss


Thats the top 15 or there about, When its all written down I dont know who would win. I know the sport better than 99.9% of guys on here and I couldn't tell you. IMO there are 4 Elite MX riders in the GPs with DeSalle knocking on the door and Paulin will have his day. In the AMA I think there are 5 with 2 of them being former world champs and If Barcia carries over from SX it would be 6. With a bigger gap on back and of course we dont know how Osburone will do.

A top 20 race would be great and only a complete Idiot would declare that they know the winner before the drop of the gate. As always injuries would be the single biggest factor like they always are. I do agree with the AC statement you would have to be an idiot to say he couldn't compete. AC is one of a kind, he is the same age as Stewart and 3 years older than RV 4 years older than RD and 5 years older than Canrard and he is still out there ripping.

I do love these arguments but sadly no one can argue correctly they always get to caught up in the hype weather it be some people now with GPs or 5 years ago when no one gave AC the time of day because he had not won the MxDN yet even though he had 6 world titles and nearly 60 gp wins to his name at the time. Nobody thinks for themselves they jump on the hype train and launch off.
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Wait a second, I had to do a double-take on that. My premise was (and always has been) USA vs. Europe, like the Ryder Cup. AMA...
Wait a second, I had to do a double-take on that. My premise was (and always has been) USA vs. Europe, like the Ryder Cup. AMA and FIM has nothing to do with this, not in my mind. These four guys all line up for Europe, same as they'd line up for their respective nations:

Herlings
Cairoli
Musquin
Roczen

And Team USA gets Covington. As I said to begin with, Europe cleans house.

Here's another way of looking at it: The AMA depends on Europe for some of its top talent; MXGP doesn't need anything from the US, although I'd like to see, say, Tomac, Anderson, and Baggett (and Musquin and Roczen) all in MXGP. That would rock.



AMA depends on Europe? It's cool that Ken and Marvin are here, but wouldn't be much different without them. Guess if they were still in Europe Herlings and AC wouldn't be 30 seconds in front of everyone else.
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biscuit11 3/5/2018 8:08pm
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Hate how people say Eli can only do it on home soil. What time Colorado time was it when he last raced in europe?? Much easier for Herlings to adjust to time change forward in USA then Eli to go there. If someone asked me to go perform at 3am I may not be at my best either lol...
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biscuit11 3/5/2018 8:10pm
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That is true for all euros, they can adjust to our time change much easier than we can theirs... Why is this never mentioned????????????????????????????

NFL teams suffer from traveling one coast to another, I bet going overseas has an even greater effect... There are also no timeouts in a motocross race that im aware of??

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kkawboy14 3/5/2018 8:11pm
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In a perfect world there would be one series that incorporated all of them
Brownstone322 3/5/2018 8:27pm
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yak651 wrote:
AMA depends on Europe? It's cool that Ken and Marvin are here, but wouldn't be much different without them. Guess if they were still in Europe...
AMA depends on Europe? It's cool that Ken and Marvin are here, but wouldn't be much different without them. Guess if they were still in Europe Herlings and AC wouldn't be 30 seconds in front of everyone else.
Nah, wouldn't be much different. Well, except that Roczen has won 250 West Supercross, Monster Energy Cup, and 450 Motocross twice. What in fuck are you smoking?
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Spot on!! That’s why it’s a hard pill to swallow when our top guys won’t show up at a mxgp race when they come all the...
Spot on!! That’s why it’s a hard pill to swallow when our top guys won’t show up at a mxgp race when they come all the way here to race!! I understand about Gisseppe and all the bs that comes with it but regardless if our top guys would line up to race it would be awesome and could be our mx des nations early!! I mean Herlings showed up her on a Tuesday, hung with Aldon for a day; borrowed Canards bike and then showed up at iron man two days later just to be able to race our best guys!! Say what ya want but that took balls as he had nothing to gain and plenty to lose!! Maybe we will start a vital rewards program from donations for the USA guys that will actually come race just to see where they stand!!??????
Herlings wasn't the only one to do that and go well haha



There was nobody protecting points leads or finishing out seasons that day either haha
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SX>MX, and it’s not even close.
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cable wrote:
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is...
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is come mxdn.
You might see what fast is, but it won't just be Euro's, I expect USA as a team to win quite easily.
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cable wrote:
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is...
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is come mxdn.
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You might see what fast is, but it won't just be Euro's, I expect USA as a team to win quite easily.
A French team of Ferrandis, Musquin and Paulin could definitely win at Red Bud also. I can't believe we're talking MXoN already haha.
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Very informative thread with so many original ideas

Much ty
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cable wrote:
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is...
euros set there bikes up for outdoors. our guys are too hung up on stiff settings. I think we are going to see what fast is come mxdn.
St Ann More wrote:
You might see what fast is, but it won't just be Euro's, I expect USA as a team to win quite easily.
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A French team of Ferrandis, Musquin and Paulin could definitely win at Red Bud also. I can't believe we're talking MXoN already haha.
Pailin hasn’t been close to febvre in a while?

Also

It depends but I’m thinking bagget comes out swinging this year.

Could be Tomac, Bagget and who knows on the 250.
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Pailin hasn’t been close to febvre in a while? Also It depends but I’m thinking bagget comes out swinging this year. Could be Tomac, Bagget and...
Pailin hasn’t been close to febvre in a while?

Also

It depends but I’m thinking bagget comes out swinging this year.

Could be Tomac, Bagget and who knows on the 250.
When was the last time they wanted to race MXdN though
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I've gotten so I sleep through these late SX broadcast and don't really care. I care even less about attending one. I just check the highlights the next day The funny thing is when the Nationals roll around I am glued to the TV. I watch and re watch them. And as for driving hours to see one and spending my hard earned money, I don't give it a second thought.
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Katoomey 3/6/2018 10:19am
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patriotism is a disease and this thread is evidence....


a collection of small minds and small dicks....with your "my dad can beat up your dad" nonsense.

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