AC222’s legacy?

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8/28/2020 10:02 AM

I’m not knowledgeable enough about MXGP (Average US fan level) to argue for or against, but, what does AC222 need to do to be the undisputed best ever GP racer and is it possible?

He’s an inspiration to myself. The way he rides this far into his career is unreal to me, and has to be an enigma. Has there been a rider this far into a career that arguably looks faster every year?

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8/28/2020 10:07 AM

That everts guy may have more titles but he won a few of them running 1 moto races, tc222 is the man!

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8/28/2020 10:35 AM

In American MX we have RC who is undeniably the best. In Supercross, Jeremy is undeniably the best. In Canadian MX, Rollerball is undeniably the greatest cool At this point Everts has one more title and 15 more GP wins than Cairoli, so I would argue he's the greatest. However, the gap from Everts to Cairoli is smaller than the gap of RC to RV/Dungey in MX or McGrath to JS7 in SX, in statistics.

I will say that Cairoli's ability to adapt to the speed of the new gen like Herlings and Gajser has been pretty impressive, but it has come at a cost in injuries. He's taken more hits in the past 3 seasons than the rest of his career.

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8/28/2020 11:13 AM

I'm just an average American fan as well, but to me AC222 is the best MXGP rider of all time.

Everts might have the numbers but I think his wins/championships from the 1 moto year(s) deserve an asterisk.

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8/28/2020 11:17 AM

LungButter wrote:

I'm just an average American fan as well, but to me AC222 is the best MXGP rider of all time.

Everts might have the numbers but I think his wins/championships from the 1 moto year(s) deserve an asterisk.

Everts rode what it was back in the day, it wasn’t his fault the format was like that. You could also look at it a different way and say it was possibly harder because you didn’t have a 2nd moto to regroup. It was shit or bust really.

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8/28/2020 11:23 AM

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Everts rode what it was back in the day, it wasn’t his fault the format was like that. You could also look at it a different way and say it was possibly harder because you didn’t have a 2nd moto to regroup. It was shit or bust really.

Good point.

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8/28/2020 11:24 AM

LungButter wrote:

Good point.

Also Everts won 3 classes in 1 day.

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8/28/2020 12:02 PM

I'd give Cairoli the nod for his longevity. Everts had alien skills though. I'd be curious who AC222 thinks is the greatest mxgp rider.

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8/28/2020 2:18 PM

LungButter wrote:

I'm just an average American fan as well, but to me AC222 is the best MXGP rider of all time.

Everts might have the numbers but I think his wins/championships from the 1 moto year(s) deserve an asterisk.

So this years AMA championship won't count?
Events raced the series that were presented to him, he is the goat from another mother!

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8/28/2020 2:25 PM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

So this years AMA championship won't count?
Events raced the series that were presented to him, he is the goat from another mother!

I must have missed where this years AMA Series is 1 Moto format.

Which guys are racing that?

Seems to me most our top guys are racing the one with 2 motos, like real motocross. I could be mistaken though.

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8/28/2020 3:12 PM

crowe660 wrote:

I’m not knowledgeable enough about MXGP (Average US fan level) to argue for or against, but, what does AC222 need to do to be the undisputed best ever GP racer and is it possible?

He’s an inspiration to myself. The way he rides this far into his career is unreal to me, and has to be an enigma. Has there been a rider this far into a career that arguably looks faster every year?

To answer it directly, Cairoli has 9 world titles, and Everts has 10,

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8/28/2020 3:20 PM

TomC31 wrote:

To answer it directly, Cairoli has 9 world titles, and Everts has 10,

Everts 101 GP wins
Cairoli 90 GP wins

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8/28/2020 3:24 PM

I believe the dude won a championship on a 350 before 350s were even badass. That’s pretty rad.

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8/28/2020 3:37 PM

Cairoli won at least one MXGP round per year for 17 straight years...yes, his first win was in 2004 and his last, so far, was 10 days ago.

If I'm not wrong Everts managed to do that for 11 straight years.

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8/28/2020 3:48 PM

Everts being an individual ISDE champion is a unique stat no other MX rider has as well!

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8/28/2020 3:50 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/28/2020 3:51 PM

Everts raced Stewart and finished ahead of him in one MXdN I believe it was Great Britain? Heck maybe Cairolli was also there can't remember I was young.

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8/28/2020 3:52 PM

Everts arguably was at his best towards the end of his career also. He was undoubtedly at his most dominant.
The debate would be the level of competition he faced early as opposed to late.

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8/28/2020 4:00 PM

FerCzD wrote:

Everts raced Stewart and finished ahead of him in one MXdN I believe it was Great Britain? Heck maybe Cairolli was also there can't remember I was young.

2006 Matterley Basin MXdN

I shot this pic of Everts giving Stewart a cornering clinic.

Photo

Cairoli was there, he won the 2nd moto (MX2/Open) outright on his 250f.

Cracking weekend, it rounded out my wife and i's honeymoon nicely!

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8/28/2020 4:12 PM

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

Everts being an individual ISDE champion is a unique stat no other MX rider has as well!

Kinda, tons of champs are previous Moto guys including our own Ryan Sipes, not sure if Everts is the only one to do it while still actively racing moto though.

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8/28/2020 4:49 PM

FerCzD wrote:

Everts raced Stewart and finished ahead of him in one MXdN I believe it was Great Britain? Heck maybe Cairolli was also there can't remember I was young.

Cairoli was there and won moto2 on a 250....

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8/28/2020 5:06 PM

I don’t much about matching up records and whatnot, what I do know, is that Antonio shall Definitely go down - as one of the world’s Photogreatest motocross racers.

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8/28/2020 5:21 PM

I’ll tell ya what, as a Jack Daniels drinkin stars and bars wearin, red blooded American, I find it hard to believe anybody could argue against Everts as the 2nd greatest to throw a leg over a motor scooter. Nobody’s gonna steal the crown from my freedom lovin’ Malcolm Smith.

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8/28/2020 5:50 PM

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

Everts being an individual ISDE champion is a unique stat no other MX rider has as well!

LungButter wrote:

Kinda, tons of champs are previous Moto guys including our own Ryan Sipes, not sure if Everts is the only one to do it while still actively racing moto though.

Not sure if Sipes has won the ISDE overall, maybe I am wrong. I guess the difference between the two was it was Everts first enduro.

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8/28/2020 6:00 PM

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

Not sure if Sipes has won the ISDE overall, maybe I am wrong. I guess the difference between the two was it was Everts first enduro.

Fuck yes he has!!! *screeches in bald eagle*

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8/28/2020 6:40 PM

I'm a stats guy myself , but when I think of AC and Evert's.......the word " Legend " comes to mind , for both of them. Both of them have had career's that make some other legend's weep. For me , it's extremely cool seeing AC still out there. Past few seasons with injuries have been tough , but man , that guy is a fighter. The amount of grit that dude has is insane. Tough as nails!

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8/28/2020 7:25 PM

LungButter wrote:

Kinda, tons of champs are previous Moto guys including our own Ryan Sipes, not sure if Everts is the only one to do it while still actively racing moto though.

SWOHIO GUY wrote:

Not sure if Sipes has won the ISDE overall, maybe I am wrong. I guess the difference between the two was it was Everts first enduro.

rohleder644 wrote:

Fuck yes he has!!! *screeches in bald eagle*

Are these bald eagle screeches singing Lee Greenwood?

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8/28/2020 7:30 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

I'm a stats guy myself , but when I think of AC and Evert's.......the word " Legend " comes to mind , for both of them. Both of them have had career's that make some other legend's weep. For me , it's extremely cool seeing AC still out there. Past few seasons with injuries have been tough , but man , that guy is a fighter. The amount of grit that dude has is insane. Tough as nails!

Grit, perfect description Jefro. Certified badass! 👍

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8/28/2020 7:47 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Everts arguably was at his best towards the end of his career also. He was undoubtedly at his most dominant.
The debate would be the level of competition he faced early as opposed to late.

Everts could have gone on to win more races and titles, i think he would have won in 2007 if he had not retired , he had Coppins and Ramon easily covered the year before,

to me, numbers matter, and 1 more title and 11 more GP wins makes Everts the Greatest GP rider of all time, but AC222 is badass as well,

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8/28/2020 7:47 PM

rohleder644 wrote:

Fuck yes he has!!! *screeches in bald eagle*

Thank you.

Not to derail the thread but Sipes is a damn American hero. I hope to one day shake his hand and tell him thank you. I shed a tear the day he brought that win home, one of the biggest accomplishments in all of US motorcycling. Generations of off road racers in America were waiting for that day. Not to mention my dear friend KC66 who’s life’s work was to see that happen, seriously a day I won’t forget when Sipes won the overall at ISDE.

As far as Everts, he put on a clinic at the Brazil ISDE on a staggeringly stock WR450. It was an all time performance that is maybe a little bit forgotten due to being pre-social media. I’m glad someone brought it up.

I still give the nod to AC, but admittedly with some bias.

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8/29/2020 12:44 AM

FerCzD wrote:

Everts raced Stewart and finished ahead of him in one MXdN I believe it was Great Britain? Heck maybe Cairolli was also there can't remember I was young.

Ewan wrote:

2006 Matterley Basin MXdN

I shot this pic of Everts giving Stewart a cornering clinic.

Photo

Cairoli was there, he won the 2nd moto (MX2/Open) outright on his 250f.

Cracking weekend, it rounded out my wife and i's honeymoon nicely!



One of my favourite ever races!
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