A serious question about the Asterisk Crew

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3/5/2011 10:32 PM

Do they have any sort of authority to step in and tell a rider after a crash that he is done for the night?
Considering all the data coming to light in recent years concerning concussions, you'd think this would be a point the Asterisk crew would take seriously along with AMA Pro.

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3/5/2011 10:33 PM

I would think they would. Anyone have an answer?

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3/5/2011 10:35 PM

If I was on that crew, I would not have let JS continue after his crash.

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3/5/2011 10:38 PM

The answer is no, otherwise they would have stopped him. It was obvious even on TV that he hit his head in the crash and was pretty out of balance walking and even just standing, not to mention riding onto the track as if drunk.

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3/5/2011 10:39 PM

72kiteboarder wrote:

If I was on that crew, I would not have let JS continue after his crash.

Yeah but the guy came back from it.. Let them race!! I'm glad they let him..

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3/5/2011 10:42 PM

What if it was the last corner, same injury or accident and he was 2 pts of winning the title and had to ride up the last jump. They cant test him while he is contesting, if they want to stop him they cant do it while he is still punching on and defending himself, they would have to know for sure, watch him ride the bike and decide he is out of it or call it when he needs assistance not when he is fighting on.

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3/5/2011 10:42 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/5/2011 10:43 PM

72kiteboarder wrote:

If I was on that crew, I would not have let JS continue after his crash.

I'm sure James would have told you to STFU. grin

Kidding. wink

But seriously looks like they talked to him for a brief second and he responded,because they sorta took a step back.

I don't think he noticed his fender being inverted either and it sorta caught him off guard and that is why he fell.

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3/5/2011 10:44 PM

Last week at Atlanta Ronnie was knocked out for over a minute and the practice was red flagged. The first thing they said to me was he is done for the night, he doesn't know where he is at. We went to their truck to get checked out and they observed him for 45 minutes. He kept progressively getting memory back and vitals (no pun intended) checked out good. They went over the latest research on concussions with us and gave me a 4 page packet on that research. Then they handed me a 2 part form to sign and told me that they can't tell him not to ride that night but they strongly, strongly recommend he does not. They said if he chooses to ride then I need to sign that paper and give them one copy. It is sitting in my tool box, but I did not even start to read it to see what is says because at no point after his crash did I even remotely think that he was going to ride again that day. But from that experience it seems to me that it ultimately up to the rider.dizzy dizzy dizzy

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3/5/2011 10:48 PM

There are guidelines in place but are often overlooked for obvious reasons. They are great at their jobs, but unless a physician has completed his testing and says the athlete has a grade (1, 2 or 3) concussion it is difficult to know the extent of the injury especially when the rider appears to be "able to ride".

Hard call at best.

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[b]Alan Gerkey

3/5/2011 10:49 PM

anyone feel that stewart should of looked for oncoming racers before reentering?????

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3/5/2011 10:59 PM

it's a sword that cuts both ways. Medics that are over zealous could cost a guy points and a championship, but also could save his life.

What if he had ruptured a spleen? It takes time for that to rear it's ugly head at times.

I think they did what they could. I was surprised that nobody was talking about "outside" assistance type deal being that this board gets to rulesy and critical at times.

It worked out good for James this time, he is a very determined and good rider. Hopefully if he truely wants to become a "great rider" he learns how to pull it back a touch and win with a 10 second lead and not throw down hard laps til he augers in like tonight.

Couple questions, observations. Are less pro riders wearing chest protectors and or neck braces now then lets say last year?

was this one of the longest daytona tracks in recent history (lap times)

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3/5/2011 11:21 PM

I heard the Asterisk medic guy say "GET BACK ON THE BIKE" as he was patting on the seat looking at James. Anyone else catch that? Maybe wasn't word for word but it was something similiar to that.

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3/5/2011 11:33 PM

I'm hoping Nerd will see this and ask some questions in and around the pits about this.

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3/5/2011 11:36 PM

The answer is no.

As bassackwards as this sport is there is really nothing that can be done about in-race head injuries to prevent that rider from continuing. Just think about the championship implications that would have occurred if JS7 was given the red light.

Considering how dangerous 'second-impact syndrome' is on the brain, I'd say we're very lucky we haven't had a top rider end up mentally debilitated on live TV.

I've seen it happen to fellow riders and it's not a pretty sight. There is a guy around the local tracks here that walks around and you can tell he barely knows where he is; soup sandwich. Yet, he continues to ride and race. It's a sight that makes me very, very uncomfortable.

With the studies on the 'white accumulations' in former NFL player's brains I'd say our sport will soon be given a serious look-see by the powers that be.

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3/5/2011 11:46 PM

zippy895 wrote:

anyone feel that stewart should of looked for oncoming racers before reentering?????

Ahh....
Takes us back to the Preston incident.
With that said...I don't think he always does.

Should he? Sure he should. wink

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3/5/2011 11:55 PM

I saw that too but figured by then they had a flagger in place directing traffic.

A great comeback ride by JS ... but I have mixed feelings on how they should handle crashes and letting a rider back on the track. JS def looked wobbly there. As mentioned a ruptured spleen or severely bruised liver might allow you to do another lap or two ... but then what if he had gone into shock or worse.

Not sure how that should be handled. Anyone know how other sports deal with a possible serious injury but the player wants to stay in the game?

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3/6/2011 12:06 AM

Stewart kicked some serious ass, so if you'd have stopped him, that seems to obviously be a bad decision.

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3/6/2011 7:03 AM

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

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3/6/2011 7:17 AM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

Ding,Ding, Ding!!! Thats exactly what I told my wife and kids. My son remembered being 12, going over the bars and having the wind knocked out. If JS hit his head hard enough to knock himself out he would not have bounced up like he did.
Not at all a Stewart fan but he showed the heart of a champion.

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3/6/2011 7:19 AM

Gym Briggs wrote:

Yeah but the guy came back from it.. Let them race!! I'm glad they let him..

Hindsight is always 20-20. If he got back onto the track, crashed, and hurt himself even worse, then this would be a whole different discussion.

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3/6/2011 7:23 AM

VEGAS711 wrote:

Last week at Atlanta Ronnie was knocked out for over a minute and the practice was red flagged. The first thing they said to me was he is done for the night, he doesn't know where he is at. We went to their truck to get checked out and they observed him for 45 minutes. He kept progressively getting memory back and vitals (no pun intended) checked out good. They went over the latest research on concussions with us and gave me a 4 page packet on that research. Then they handed me a 2 part form to sign and told me that they can't tell him not to ride that night but they strongly, strongly recommend he does not. They said if he chooses to ride then I need to sign that paper and give them one copy. It is sitting in my tool box, but I did not even start to read it to see what is says because at no point after his crash did I even remotely think that he was going to ride again that day. But from that experience it seems to me that it ultimately up to the rider.dizzy dizzy dizzy

That is good to know but also shocking. The fact that they can't tell the rider not to ride, but strongly strongly recommend against it.....and then have a signed waiver to let them off the hook as having strongly recommended against it.

This needs to change. Points or no points, it is fact what is now known about concussions. The second a guy is KO'd in the NFL he is done for the day before any medical checking goes on. I saw the Steelers' Hines Ward this year get KO'd for split second during a tackle, where you see his arms go limp and he fumbled the ball. But he got right up after the play and seemed fine....way more fine than Stewart looked when he got up. Yet he was done for the day. These brain inuries are no joke and Pro MX/SX needs to get with the times here. Imagine if Stewart took another good hit to the head after he got up? Or worse yet, crashed and paralyzed himself out there? They had no way of knowing the extent of injury based on what they saw, other than knowing there was some sort of head trauma involved.

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3/6/2011 7:23 AM

Maybe someone will come along and tell us what really happened at Daytona.

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3/6/2011 7:25 AM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

captmoto wrote:

Ding,Ding, Ding!!! Thats exactly what I told my wife and kids. My son remembered being 12, going over the bars and having the wind knocked out. If JS hit his head hard enough to knock himself out he would not have bounced up like he did.
Not at all a Stewart fan but he showed the heart of a champion.

he rode away and when he landed from jumps, his helmet action looked like a kid on a cobra landing a 50 jump. bobble head.at least for around the first 5 landings.wonder how he is feeling this morning.

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3/6/2011 7:26 AM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

That's what I think too. From watching the crash on TV, it looks like he rolled nicely. No big hit to the head.

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3/6/2011 7:27 AM

4mxonly wrote:

Hindsight is always 20-20. If he got back onto the track, crashed, and hurt himself even worse, then this would be a whole different discussion.

Better watch it, this is Vital. You'll be labeled stupid for being sensible.wassat

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3/6/2011 7:29 AM

i feel confident had it been a lower level racer, he would have been escorted to the pit area.

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3/6/2011 7:31 AM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

captmoto wrote:

Ding,Ding, Ding!!! Thats exactly what I told my wife and kids. My son remembered being 12, going over the bars and having the wind knocked out. If JS hit his head hard enough to knock himself out he would not have bounced up like he did.
Not at all a Stewart fan but he showed the heart of a champion.

You guys kill me. So how did he let the Aterisk crew know he was okay if it was just the wind knocked out of him? He can talk with that condition? It takes a bit longer to get your wind back than that. He would have been crouched on the ground trying to get it back don't ya think?

Seriously, you didn't see how wobbly he was, falling on his ass like being drunk? Watch some MMA fights and see how different KO's can be. Sometimes a guy's knees go limp for a split second and they come right back....other times it's lights out for minutes. That was a hit to the head, and they come easily now because Stewart already has had something like 7 concussions, some very serious where he couldn't continue. One fact about concussions, each one makes the next one easier to get and harder to heal from. It basically takes Stewart a tap on the dome at this point to be concussed.

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3/6/2011 7:32 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/6/2011 7:35 AM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Maybe the "head injury" was a guy struggling with the wind knocked out of him?

mjskier wrote:

That's what I think too. From watching the crash on TV, it looks like he rolled nicely. No big hit to the head.

Agreed. I just watched the crash again and he didn't look nearly as off balance as I thought he did when I watched it live, still an incredible ride after a big crash though.

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3/6/2011 7:37 AM

If a rider crashes and is separated from his bike there should be a mandatory penalty delay of at least 30 seconds before he can re-enter the race after he remounts. Look at how many times js7 has had collisions re entering races.

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3/6/2011 7:40 AM

motodriller wrote:

If a rider crashes and is separated from his bike there should be a mandatory penalty delay of at least 30 seconds before he can re-enter the race after he remounts. Look at how many times js7 has had collisions re entering races.

He had 1 minute and 10 seconds of mandatory penalty delay.

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