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First off Macadoo is a beast for his ride on Tuesday.
I think he should be able to race, but not nesecarily have the opportunity to holeshot.
The staggered starts work well, what if When a rider who caused the red flag re-enters, they do a staggered start with that rider in last place. Someone like macadoo will still rip through the pack, but is not given any advantage.
Food for thought..
I think he should be able to race, but not nesecarily have the opportunity to holeshot.
The staggered starts work well, what if When a rider who caused the red flag re-enters, they do a staggered start with that rider in last place. Someone like macadoo will still rip through the pack, but is not given any advantage.
Food for thought..
Had the race not stopped due to his crash, he'd likely have restarted last, if at all.
Instead, he got a do-over and a good start up front
I could be wrong, but that sounds like an advantage gained from the restart.
This would be more relevant to a single file restart though.
He was a lap or two down, had the race continued and he re-joined after being cleared he would have been well over four or five laps down. The red flag and restart did do him a favour but didn’t necessarily provide an advantage, he still started from the same starting line everyone else did and had to race the same track.
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But yeah, i agree - the rider that caused the red flag should be penalized off the re-start in some way if they are allowed back on the gate.
The race wherein Cameron MacAdoo wadded up and caused the restart DID NOT HAPPEN. It is completely wiped from the results standings and all running order was erased. The actual, resulting race started on equal footing behind a starting gate, and 19 guys got beaten by a dude riding a mangled bike while in pain.
Whether you agree that a race should be "completely restarted" before 3 laps is the only question here. I welcome dialog on that topic.
Who's with me?
So far I see two popular rule additions/changes. 1. Make it so if the flag was thrown for you, you can't race. 2. Staggered start always or require a penalty to rider who flag was thrown for.
So #1 here is what I think:
This one will required the AMA to rule on this rule much more often than the current procedure. Some issues would be something like a pileup in the first corner. Who is the flag thrown for? What if 1 rider stays down but 2 get up? What if one rider is okay but his bike is tangled with the other and he can't get going? We have seen a track this year where the track immediately turned around and jumped the start.. although the AMA I think saw how stupid that was, it still resulted in a immediate red flag due to a rider pileup. Should all of those guys been sent to the LCQ?
In my eyes, these situations are much more common than what happened on Tuesday night. The AMA will either be continually keeping eligible racers from racing, or they will have to continually make discretion calls and rule on a subjective basis (which obviously none of us like). No rider is going to risk laying there and getting a red flag. There is a lot of pressure in that situation: will it work? What are the optics if it's obvious? Will my team get upset? How will the other riders react? It's really a nonsensical counter argument in my eyes. You will not see Webb or Kenny in SLC find a tunnel and lay on top of it to get a red flag if they get a bad start...
Now #2:
Again, the trouble of "who caused it, who is the rider, etc." comes into play as in #1. But also, if a staggered start is wanted always, there becomes some consequences to that in the first few laps. It would be a logistical scoring nightmare to tell who is where in the first few laps. The riders are bunched up and passing is continuous. Additionally, you might get some "racing to the flag" situations as riders try to improve their start position. Later in a race this is a none issues as the racing has spread out a bit.
Really the only rule I think could filter out some special cases would be that the only riders who can participate in the restart need to pass the red flag in a given amount of time. Whether it be 2 laps worth of time (1.5 minutes) or a reset time of say 5 minutes. Other than that, the AMA will have to step in way more often imo. Generally though, the current rule works. 98% of red flags thrown will result in that rider not lining back up. This case from Cameron was a planets aligning pixie dust miracle event.
Maybe, he’s just exceeding everyone’s expectations.
If he ended the race in tenth, nobody would complain yet, give him props for having the balls to get back on the bike.
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B. No one is disagreeing about what the rule is, the discussion is about what the rule should be. This was a very rare case of where a rider crashed and gained advantage due to it, in my years of fandom and competition I've never seen this happen before. Had he been anywhere else on track and not gotten the red flag, McAdoo would be much farther down on points than he is now. The rules were followed as they are written, and for that reason clearly the result should stand. But, most people intuitively grasp that this is a glitch in the rules, and should probably be rectified in the future. Although I don't foresee "flopping" becoming an issue in motocross, it is precisely this kind of weakness in the rules that allows for the practice in other sports. Flopping in soccer, intentional walks in baseball, and intentional fouling in basketball are some of the worst and least sportsmanlike features of those sports. Gaining advantage though intentional failure or feigned injury is obnoxious and the rules of any sport shouldn't leave space for it.
That being said, it took a very unusual combination of circumstances for this to happen. What are the odds of someone ending up on top of that box jump after a crash? The odds of walking away from it with an intact body and bike? The odds of it happening to a rider in contention for a tight championship? They could probably race for another 20 years without this coming up again, but writing the rulebook to ensure the fairest possible competition is their job, so when a weakness is exposed it should be fixed for the future.
im pretty sure they did? I even read the rule book with my eight year old and he was able to understand it.
Seemed fair to me, an actual real medical doctor that went to a real medical school and passed and has a real medical license performed a concussion test and cleared him to ride... i’m seriously confused what all you maniacs are complaining about!
I thought it was bad ass to see him gut it out like that and get a podium!
However, if you want to make it fairer, make the restart gate pick in the order they’re running with the red flag at the finish line i.e. McAdoo gets last gate pick, Cooper gets first etc.
That might be the case with your 'participation trophy' rules but in every league in the rest of the world, apart from turn 1 one where there is a process to allow all 4 to restart, there is always a rider that is athe cause of the stoppage, and he is ALWAYS out.
Do tell us.
Anything else is just mental masturbation.
It’s race day. Let’s watch some racing.
Say if the ARay/ JA21 incident had been worse - meaning that due to JA21 needing help a red flag was put out, could it not be argued that he was not the cause of the red flag so should line up again in proper position?? What ‘punishment’ would ARay get?
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