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For those wondering if it was reviewed by the officials on-site? Yes. Before the race was over, they had four different angles from the TV truck that were reviewed.
In case you didn't know, they've been using a Race Direction panel to make the decisions on stuff like this for a while now. It's not a single person's judgment. That would include John Gallagher (Race Director), Mike Pelletier (AMA), and Tim McAdam. An FIM official from the international side (these tend to rotate in and out every few weeks) is there in case of an appeal.
They didn't think there was any intent by Cooper to head the direction that he did. It was caused by a cross-rut on the face of the jump. Everything after taking off was an attempt to regain control, or miss the Robo-Cam. They didn't think any rider would reasonably opt to try something like this on their own.
For folks talking about other riders who have been penalized for leaving the track and reentering, that generally had to do with the rider in question accelerating while off the track. As a side note, Marvin Musquin went off the track at Daytona, missed about seven Tuf-Blox, and braked before reentering. He wasn't penalized.
Okay, with that out of the way, I'm wondering...where are all the people who usually chime in to say that all official's decisions are biased towards Monster-sponsored riders?
In case you didn't know, they've been using a Race Direction panel to make the decisions on stuff like this for a while now. It's not a single person's judgment. That would include John Gallagher (Race Director), Mike Pelletier (AMA), and Tim McAdam. An FIM official from the international side (these tend to rotate in and out every few weeks) is there in case of an appeal.
They didn't think there was any intent by Cooper to head the direction that he did. It was caused by a cross-rut on the face of the jump. Everything after taking off was an attempt to regain control, or miss the Robo-Cam. They didn't think any rider would reasonably opt to try something like this on their own.
For folks talking about other riders who have been penalized for leaving the track and reentering, that generally had to do with the rider in question accelerating while off the track. As a side note, Marvin Musquin went off the track at Daytona, missed about seven Tuf-Blox, and braked before reentering. He wasn't penalized.
Okay, with that out of the way, I'm wondering...where are all the people who usually chime in to say that all official's decisions are biased towards Monster-sponsored riders?
I used to hate the term Vitard. But if the shoe fits...
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Thanks for the insult though. Keep toeing the company line
therefore, his excursion, no matter how brief, was a proximate cause in his gain of a position.
-on the "panel" thing, was that instituted before or after Gallagher unilaterally ejected Bowers in a fit of rage?
"They didn't think there was any intent by Cooper"....yeah, I think most everyone agrees. But this doesn't mean he didn't gain an advantage with his little off track excursion (accident or not).
Do I think Cooper deserves a penalty because he purposely cut the track boundaries? Absolutely not
Does the rulebook state he should be penalized? Absolutely
The rules are the rules and if you don't enforce you will be seen as playing favorites. Think they would let Anderson slide in this situation?
Gotta wonder now what's really going on behind the scenes with these officials. They could have come up with a much better explanation that's in alignment with the rulebook, but the pull the intent card. LMFAO.
From my point of vue, clearly people love to bash around any "controversial move" but my friends were thrilled by that pass and it was their first race to see, so I hope with all the great racing we have this year they'll hook up with this sport, even if 1 out of them. It's all that matters, really, and even if the track wasn't up to the expectations some have (90° turns ahah), you also have to see the positive in order for us to watch our sport grow.
Quick question...where does the pass actually happen here? Match up the frames...
In the rule book, does it state anything about whether it matters if it’s purposeful when a rider cuts the track and gains a position? Genuinely curious, as I don’t know.
again, but for his enhanced trajectory, he would not have made it to that point before Tomac did.
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For the record, I am a KTM Fanboy, but what's right is right.
In this instance I think his off track excursion was accidental but he should have had a time penalty applied. In F1 if you lock the brakes and miss a corner or a chicane you are penalized if you gain an advantage or avoid losing a position and Cooper gained an advantage. We would not have passed Tomac in that lap on that corner if he had corrected his course and taken the corner without leaving the track.
I am quite sure he would have got him very soon after but it’s about setting a precedent that to navigate the course the fastest and beat people you have to navigate the actual course.
The rules specify advantage gained. I couldn't care less, but Cooper doesn't make that exact pass without being in that position.
Who's to say Eli doesn't melt down if he's not passed? He certainly doesn't have to lift his foot and cross rut in that corner without Coop's presence that far inside
But to answer your question, like others have said above, the pass was made in slide 4 when Tomac saw an Orange bike torpedoing at him from an off track angle. He let off and checked up, which wouldn't have happened if Webb was further behind him had he not cut the track, or "racecourse" per the rulebook.
But this is still not the most relevant question that anyone should be asking. The question to all the Non-Vitards (top half of poll) and AMA Officials is: Did Cooper gain an advantage without gaining a position?? Per the rulebook below:
"If a rider accelerates in an unsafe manner while off course or cuts a part of the racecourse, the rider may be determined to have gained an advantage without gaining a position"
He absolutely did, which allowed him to fluster Tomac and make the pass. He would not have been able to do this had he not gained an advantage by cutting the track (accident or not, intentional or not). This is the rulebook, and it's black and white.
All of us Vitards (bottom half of poll) understand you Non-Vitards opinion about Cooper's incident being non-intentional, and we agree. But it doesn't seem the Non-Vitards are capable of actually reading the rulebook and acknowledging the fact that the rules were broken, exactly as the rulebook states.
This topic does not stop entertaining. Another 10 pager.
I was happy to see Webb do well again, and that was an amazing save no doubt. I do think it is quite possible that he could have passed Tomac Saturday night, it just doesn’t seem right that he could interrupt Tomac’s momentum and ability to accelerate out of the corner while coming from a position outside of the marked boundary of the track and complete the pass at that point.
But hey, the people directly involved in and affected by it don’t seem to have a problem with it, so it’s all good.
Edit: just re read your statement. These are facts claimed by guy b. Not feld or the ama.
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