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Run whatever you want - the bike that gets you the best lap times and to the front of the pack at the end of the moto will weed out the inferior machines, and there will be no need to set arbitrary limits.
A point of interest for you younger guys - years back, experience taught that the maximum displacement did not necessarily yield the best lap times or moto wins. Maico riders learned the 400 was a preferable motor than the mighty 450. IIRC, Suzuki and Bultaco both evolved to mid-300cc motors. But let anything run - if a team wants to run a larger displacement, let them - if they can make it work, more power to them
Support and Premier class, no cc or stroke restrictions in either.
Support champ must move up to Premier.
Outside top ten in Premier allowed to move down.
Top 10 finishers year before get assigned #'s, the rest get to choose from what's left. But they have to keep that # until a top ten is accomplished.
It's all about the Premier class, support class only gets mentioned and hardly any tv time, so we know who's 'coming' to Premier class.
Also so all the money is in the Premier class. I want to see Mitch race his bikes in the Premier class, what ever size and stroke he sees fit.
I think the big bore should be an open class, but if it were, I don't think you would see a lot of change.
Don't get me wrong, the 2t open class bike would leave a 450 4t for dead in a drag race.
But that 2t open class motocrosser would take more out of you trying to stay on top of it & correction. I just don't see that many people switching. Although I do miss the sights and sounds of an open class 2t motocross race!
In the 250 class, there would be some real excitement with varied bikes for varied conditions. Despite their hp advantage, I don't think the pingers would obliterate the valve munchers.
The 125 class needs to be brought back.
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oem's will and still will block it at every chance.
it's to bad as they would be great for small privateer teams.
just glad the amatuer classes are fine the way they are and work good.
oh and well i will say it first.
"not this shit again".....................
You really think only ten people would show up? All these kids at the Ponca and Loretta level that could get themselves seen at the next step instead of just disappearing like they currently do? I would bet there would be a good number of families who would support a 125 class that have currently given up on trying to field a 250F effort against the likes of Pro-Circuit and Factory Connection.
you put a 125/150 class as a support at the nationals it would put to much competition towards the qualifier national amatuer system so it won't happen......they know better then to compete with themselves.........................
1 moto, 20 minutes plus 1 lap. For the kids just getting off 85's and for amateurs not yet accustomed to the longer Pro motos it would be a perfect stepping stone. Have age and/or time in grade restrictions to keep sandbagging to a minimum. Maybe even make it a claimer class to keep the cost down.
I believe that if properly implemented you'd have 60+ riders trying to qualify week after week.
The updated chassis helps a ton, no doubt. But to try and hang on to a 500 for 30min+2 is not an easy task. If you're in good enough shape to do that, you might as well ride the 450 and you'll be a ton faster and won't be tired at the end of a moto.
I have one. I was much faster and am still more comfortable on my '09 CRF450. The bikes a blast to ride and makes the 450 feel like a 250f after switching back but there's a reason they quit racing them.
Look at the GPs. They have an open class and nobody rides the 500 two stroke. It sounds great. I'd back the idea. But, it's not very practical.
Here's the story in PDF form. Just think if these riders had a month to really get used to the bike.
CR500AF vs CRF450
and would likley be cool, but not a good business move.
we have this in amatuer racing it works fine, we pushed hard for ten years to bring it to where it is today......................... NEVER did we expect pro to follow suit, and honestly as much as I would like to see smokers allowed AT LEAST IN THE 450 class the 500's would be cool to see. I realize that the last national i ever attended was red bud 1989 and it was 250\'s, never been back.
in 1988, a couple privateers ran top ten at the red bud 500 national, it was cool to watch. one on an air cooled yamaha. so inspiring.
today 450's with out 500's out there racing is ok i guess but doesn't inpire me or my group to go watch the race.................so we are cooking out and 50 some friends will ride saturday and have fun at the riding park instead.
maybe some day we will venture out again, but the discussion yesterday was na no big deal.
but don't they race against each o t her in europe?
running a true " o p en" class would be cool.
leave t he 250's alone.
and yes i race/ride an A/F 500 2010. so i am biased.
cool TOTP!!! MJ's know.
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