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1/17/2019 8:32 AM

What year do these guys start making an off road 2 stroke?

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1/17/2019 8:33 AM

Nope

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1/17/2019 8:35 AM

Like Beta, Gas Gas, TM, KTM, Husqvarna?

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"A link is only as long as your longest strong chain"

1/17/2019 10:55 AM

I don't see Yamaha changing the X until people stop buying what they offer now.
I don't think Honda ever makes another 2stk.

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1/17/2019 11:13 AM

I believe a Yamaha YZ300X would sell like hot cakes. Add e-start and a wide ratio 6 speed transmission (maybe a hydro clutch?) and you have a blue KTM. But people would buy them no doubt.

The problem is, Yamaha sells every YZ250X that they make... and they are able to utilize low manufacturing costs due to the bike being practically unchanged for years. This is probably more profitable then going balls deep making a new bike and hoping people buy it over an orange one.

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1/17/2019 11:39 AM

sam hain wrote:

I don't see Yamaha changing the X until people stop buying what they offer now.
I don't think Honda ever makes another 2stk.

According to the Yamaha guys that were on the Pulp show a couple weeks ago sounds like some upgrades are in the works.

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Go Hawks!

1/17/2019 11:51 AM

mx510 wrote:

According to the Yamaha guys that were on the Pulp show a couple weeks ago sounds like some upgrades are in the works.

Bold new graphics?!?

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1/17/2019 5:45 PM

sam hain wrote:

I don't see Yamaha changing the X until people stop buying what they offer now.
I don't think Honda ever makes another 2stk.

mx510 wrote:

According to the Yamaha guys that were on the Pulp show a couple weeks ago sounds like some upgrades are in the works.

feelit2morrow wrote:

Bold new graphics?!?

For anyone but Yamaha and Euro brands maybe. All but confirmed that it’d be a YZ250X with a head light etc if I remember correctly

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1/17/2019 5:51 PM

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

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1/17/2019 6:13 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

Fyi...KTM’s XC-W and Husky’s TE line up have Spring forks.

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1/17/2019 6:17 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

The 300 doesn't have air forks. Almost positive.

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1/17/2019 6:40 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

RACERX69 wrote:

Fyi...KTM’s XC-W and Husky’s TE line up have Spring forks.

I want the XC...not the XC W.

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1/17/2019 6:40 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

wreckitrandy wrote:

The 300 doesn't have air forks. Almost positive.

The 300 XC does (XCw doesn’t though). But I don’t want the XCW.

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1/18/2019 3:12 AM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

I have the GasGas 300 enduro with spring forks. And i really love it. Alot of bottom-mid range power and handles great.

Comes stock with FMF pipe and silencer.

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1/18/2019 10:02 AM

Stock 300 2 stroke with spring forks = Gas Gas. The AER stuff really isn't bad. but when youre coming from 4CS, anything is better. Spring forks are still the easiest to get dialed for a weekend warrior.

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1/18/2019 10:26 AM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

dutch_rider wrote:

I have the GasGas 300 enduro with spring forks. And i really love it. Alot of bottom-mid range power and handles great.

Comes stock with FMF pipe and silencer.

I'm not at all interested in a Boutique brand (of which I consider Gas Gas and Beta). Though I know a lot of guys that really like them both.

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1/18/2019 10:38 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/18/2019 10:41 AM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

dutch_rider wrote:

I have the GasGas 300 enduro with spring forks. And i really love it. Alot of bottom-mid range power and handles great.

Comes stock with FMF pipe and silencer.

Titan1 wrote:

I'm not at all interested in a Boutique brand (of which I consider Gas Gas and Beta). Though I know a lot of guys that really like them both.

Don’t be scared of something different! Of course that’s easy for me to say as a trials rider and have had probably about as many “exotic” bikes as mainstream bikes.

My son just got a TM 300. It’s blue and has KYB so it’s almost like a Yamaha?

Seriously though I don’t normally make these kinds of claims, but the 2019 TM 300 has the best 2t motor I have ever ridden! Electric start and counter balancer finish it off nicely. The rest of the bike is awesome too?. Once you ride these kinds of bikes you won’t care if the Japanese ever make a 300.

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1/18/2019 10:46 AM

I'm guessing that if Yamaha made a YZ300X it would be the YZ250X with a big bore kit (just like the KTM 300 XC is a 250 XC with a big bore kit). Wouldn't be difficult or costly for them at all, and I bet that they'd be very popular.

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Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

1/18/2019 11:55 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/18/2019 11:56 AM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

I too am interested in the XC but never considered the air fork as a deal breaker. Are they that bad for weekend racers, not to be able to get a decent enough setting?
All over the country in xc races these bikes dominate in numbers. I have heard good and bad on the forks but what is your deal breaker reason for not going with them other than they are air forks! Are they not reliable? Seriously i'm looking at a 300 as well.
Off topic a little but were the updates from 18-19 on the 300xc significant? I know they stiffened the frame and reposition the motor, also updated exhaust and larger fuel tank. The 18 is 1k cheaper plus the orange frame is cool. Whats the thinking between the two yrs?
Thanks

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1/18/2019 12:45 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

Trav138 wrote:

I too am interested in the XC but never considered the air fork as a deal breaker. Are they that bad for weekend racers, not to be able to get a decent enough setting?
All over the country in xc races these bikes dominate in numbers. I have heard good and bad on the forks but what is your deal breaker reason for not going with them other than they are air forks! Are they not reliable? Seriously i'm looking at a 300 as well.
Off topic a little but were the updates from 18-19 on the 300xc significant? I know they stiffened the frame and reposition the motor, also updated exhaust and larger fuel tank. The 18 is 1k cheaper plus the orange frame is cool. Whats the thinking between the two yrs?
Thanks

I went from a Yamaha to a KTM and was really worried about the AER forks but was pleasantly surprised at how much of a non-issue they turned out to be (at least so far).

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1/18/2019 12:52 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

Trav138 wrote:

I too am interested in the XC but never considered the air fork as a deal breaker. Are they that bad for weekend racers, not to be able to get a decent enough setting?
All over the country in xc races these bikes dominate in numbers. I have heard good and bad on the forks but what is your deal breaker reason for not going with them other than they are air forks! Are they not reliable? Seriously i'm looking at a 300 as well.
Off topic a little but were the updates from 18-19 on the 300xc significant? I know they stiffened the frame and reposition the motor, also updated exhaust and larger fuel tank. The 18 is 1k cheaper plus the orange frame is cool. Whats the thinking between the two yrs?
Thanks

SPYGUY wrote:

I went from a Yamaha to a KTM and was really worried about the AER forks but was pleasantly surprised at how much of a non-issue they turned out to be (at least so far).

I have a TX300 and I like the forks on the bike. I have owned most brands out there and this is the first set of suspension I have been comfortable enough to not get them re-valved. I race the 30+B class in moto and Sportsman Expert in off road and in stock form they are good enough for me.

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Go Hawks!

1/18/2019 1:13 PM

Titan1 wrote:

If Yamaha made a 300x two stroke, they’d sell everyone they made...easy. I really want a 300, but don’t want a KTM for the air forks. So I’ll either buy a 450fx or a 250x.

Trav138 wrote:

I too am interested in the XC but never considered the air fork as a deal breaker. Are they that bad for weekend racers, not to be able to get a decent enough setting?
All over the country in xc races these bikes dominate in numbers. I have heard good and bad on the forks but what is your deal breaker reason for not going with them other than they are air forks! Are they not reliable? Seriously i'm looking at a 300 as well.
Off topic a little but were the updates from 18-19 on the 300xc significant? I know they stiffened the frame and reposition the motor, also updated exhaust and larger fuel tank. The 18 is 1k cheaper plus the orange frame is cool. Whats the thinking between the two yrs?
Thanks

It's not so much that the air forks on the KTM are bad, they are fine...its just that the KYB SSS on the Yamaha are so good!

Most of the guys I ride with that have the 250x or 450fx yamaha's...are running stock valving in their forks. Every person I ride with that has the new KTM air forks, have had to have them revalved.

I've got Air forks on my current KX...and the are alright...a huge step back from the YZ I had before it, but they are okay-better than I expected them to be. (for what its worth, the KTM air forks are much better than the KX air forks).

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1/18/2019 1:19 PM

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1/18/2019 1:34 PM

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Hmmm wonder if this would work on the 4cs forks..

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1/18/2019 2:24 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/18/2019 2:26 PM

Pretty sure the 300's are the top seller for every manufacturer that makes them.


Just a conspiracy theory, but maybe the Japs cut a deal not to make them if the AMA "blackballed" 2t's in Moto? It just makes no sense not to offer 300's when they are best sellers.



Almost forgot, Beta is the new KTM.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

1/18/2019 2:24 PM

steed 2.0 wrote: Photo

Who wants to spend over $10K on a new 300 XC, and then have to spend however much that costs ($1K to $2K I'm assuming) to make the suspension right? I know the KTM loyalists will...but I don't have that much loyalty to any brand. I'll just buy a bike with better suspension.

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1/18/2019 3:33 PM

Titan1 wrote:

Who wants to spend over $10K on a new 300 XC, and then have to spend however much that costs ($1K to $2K I'm assuming) to make the suspension right? I know the KTM loyalists will...but I don't have that much loyalty to any brand. I'll just buy a bike with better suspension.

Point taken… over here the KTM 300 EXC-TPI 2019 cost € 11.320,-* ☹️…I have high hopes for the Honda 450L…
it only need to go on diet and gain some hp ( 30.000 km first major service ) that’s a 2 stroke killer…

btw Sooner or later the 2 strokes will not pass the stronger European emission standards…
It’s not a Honda conspiracy against 2 strokes, blame the EU.

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1/18/2019 3:34 PM

steed 2.0 wrote: Photo

Titan1 wrote:

Who wants to spend over $10K on a new 300 XC, and then have to spend however much that costs ($1K to $2K I'm assuming) to make the suspension right? I know the KTM loyalists will...but I don't have that much loyalty to any brand. I'll just buy a bike with better suspension.

steed 2.0 wrote:

Point taken… over here the KTM 300 EXC-TPI 2019 cost € 11.320,-* ☹️…I have high hopes for the Honda 450L…
it only need to go on diet and gain some hp ( 30.000 km first major service ) that’s a 2 stroke killer…

btw Sooner or later the 2 strokes will not pass the stronger European emission standards…
It’s not a Honda conspiracy against 2 strokes, blame the EU.

Shhh.. that ruins their narrative

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1/18/2019 4:32 PM

From most guys that have the newer KTM 300, fixes are:
Cut Head
Change Reeds
New Carb, rejet,, (non EFI)
Only $11000.00 plus fixes.

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