250xc or 300xc

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3/19/2013 6:22 PM

So the last few bikes I've owned have been 450's... CRF's and YZF's. Loved all of them, particularly my '05 CRF. They worked really well for what I normally do, mostly track days, a GP or REM saturday mx occassionally, and some offroad, Ocotillo or wherever.

Yeah, I will hit jumps, but nothing huge, no thanks. So with that said, I'm thinking one of these two bikes might be just the ticket, plush suspension and smoother power? The last KTM I owned was a 360 and I didn't care for it much, lol. Which one of these bikes works better on an MX track? Is the 300 better suited for tight trails and not so much MX? Maybe I should just get another 450, Idk.

Any opinions are appreciated!

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3/19/2013 6:26 PM

I don't know how much stock you put in magazine tests but Dirt Bike magazine has a comparison of the KTM 300 XC and the Berg TE 300 and they said the XC is good on a motocross track.

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3/19/2013 6:27 PM

Hmmmm thats a tough one........

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3/19/2013 6:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/19/2013 7:04 PM

A buddy of mine won the 250 int mod, 450 stock and 450 mod class at the NMA National on a 250XC. He's pretty light so you may want to move up to the 300 if you are in the 200lb+ class.

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3/19/2013 6:38 PM

CamP wrote:

A buddy of mine won the 250 int mod, 450 stock and 450 mod class at the NMA National on a 250XC. He's pretty light so you may want to move up to the 300 if you are in the 200lb+ class.

Well, I'm about 205 right now, but expect to be around 190-195. I'm not so much concerned about enough power but the type of power. Being used to the 450 so kinda spoiled that way.

I did a quick google search and found some threads on other boards, but they mostly didn't sound like moto dudes.

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3/19/2013 6:43 PM

CamP wrote:

A buddy of mine won the 250 int mod, 450 stock and 450 mod class at the NMA National on a 250XC. He's pretty light so you may want to move up to the 300 if you are in the 200lb+ class.

I agree...OR, you could buy a 2013 250 SX, do a head mod, change your PV spring, or maybe even add a FWW, and you'll have the best of all three worlds -- track, GP course, and trail.

I'm 230 pounds, and currently ride/race (east coast hare scrambles) an 250 XC here in Maryland. However, if I lived in the west, it would be a 300XC hands down.

You also need to think about what type of riding style you have...Are you lugger or on-the-pipe/point&shoot rider? If you ride the 300 like a 250, it can wear you out sometimes...I know this because I used to have 300, and was relieved when I downsized to a 250 SX and 250 XC.

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Earn it!

3/19/2013 6:50 PM

Buy a new 2013 TM for $8450, and be part of an elite club

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MXAS-TWOSTROKE-MOTOCROSS-SHOOTOUT-TM-250MX-VERSUS-9903.aspx

Or buy a new 2013 xc for $8300 and throw another $1000 into it

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/67272733-6b75-46a9-b7a7-dc80e5c5be10.aspx

PS, i'd buy the TM

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3/19/2013 7:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/19/2013 7:06 PM

Bigoldbeef wrote:

Buy a new 2013 TM for $8450, and be part of an elite club

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MXAS-TWOSTROKE-MOTOCROSS-SHOOTOUT-TM-250MX-VERSUS-9903.aspx

Or buy a new 2013 xc for $8300 and throw another $1000 into it

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/67272733-6b75-46a9-b7a7-dc80e5c5be10.aspx

PS, i'd buy the TM

those tms are the bes looking bikes out. i have some ktm experience. the 250xc will feel a little more moto oriented in the power department. quicker reving. a little more hit. according to mxa the 300xc makes about 5 more hp then the 300 tm. im thinkin 46 out of the tm would be enuf for any of us.

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3/19/2013 7:03 PM

I should add I'm on a budget... lol,

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3/19/2013 7:05 PM

the 300 is amazing...

Best motor i've ever ridden, and the XCW's handle well... I've tested the latest models, they're amazing!!!

My 06 is good, would love to get it turning a little better but i'm a tall fat bastard who can't get my weight forward and don't ride enough to complain...

Motor is soooo sweet tho, it's not funny.

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3/19/2013 7:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/19/2013 7:14 PM

300xc.

I did so. No regrets. Favorite bike I've been on in the last 20 years I've ridden. Easy to ride, fast as ever, smooth. used for mx.

PC platinum 2 pipe, and PC 304 silencer for a smooth, relatively linear powerband, but with an increase of midrange pull over stock.

PC plat 2 pipe, and fmf shorty silencer is a total different animal. Mid range and top end is increased even more and just hits hard...but is still very very smooth due to the heavier flywheel weight. If you like it closer to the style of a hard hitting 2T, you will want the shorty on there.

If you want a more manageable, smooth delivery powerband, stock (or more oomph, but smooth Plat2 pipe/PC 304) is fine. Stock they do about 50.xhp, IIRC.


I am 160lb, around intermediate level skill level. The bike would bottom quickly, but the first 1/2 of the travel was like a pillow. Obviously not valved for mx.

I ended up upgrading the F/R springs and re-valved the suspension for mx with PC specs. Night & Day difference.

At your weight, you will need to upgrade the suspension immediately.
You wouldn't regret going with the 300xc, imo.

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3/19/2013 7:31 PM

Budget or no, you can always swap the 250/300 top ends and then sell the one you like least. There's a lot you can do with the power valve springs, swapping cdis, and carb mods as well.

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3/19/2013 7:47 PM

Wow, great info, thanks guys. The top ends are interchangeable same stroke?

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3/19/2013 8:01 PM

My son just purchased the 300 XC. He really likes the suspension and the power. He doesn't race any more but did say he thought it handled better than his last 250 MX bike and is certainly a lot faster.

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3/19/2013 8:04 PM

I just bought a used 2012 KTM sx250 this year for my trail bike. I ride rocky, nasty, handlebar width tree lined enduro trails on it and it works great. It has a flywheel weight on it and an auto clutch and both can be removed easily for MX if I decide to hit the track.
I have had the suspension revalved for the rocks so it will probably suck on the track but I would only MX it once or twice a year. We will see how that works for me when the time comes but it is great off road and thats where I ride 95% of the time. Paid 4,300 and came off a stock 2009 YZ 250 that was great on the track and just OK in the woods. I had planned to keep both but i like the KTM so much I am selling the YZ. Where I ride (PA) its hard to get one bike to do both because of the rocks but The KTM is close enough for me.

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3/19/2013 8:27 PM

250 is smoother and revs a bit faster, both great choices

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3/19/2013 8:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/19/2013 8:34 PM

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I say go with the 300 XC. LOOK! How Cool that thing looks and it's got an Electric starter. We ride these bikes for the Fun RIGHT!!! and think how Awesome!! You'll look as you're passing 4-strokes in the Woods. What the heck could be more fun than a light weight, screaming high Horsepower 2-stroke KTM that's less maintenance than a 4-Porker ( actually I like 4 strokes alot ) but I still love 2-strokes and have a special place in my Heart for them smile That 300 would be Killer on a MX track
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3/19/2013 8:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/19/2013 9:07 PM

I'm biased because I have a '12 300XC. It is the best bike I've ever had. You can see my list below in my sig...

You can adjust the power without needing a pipe. But if you're really a fast guy, there is never enough power. I went 2-stoke to save money on rebuilds. A budy of mine still hasn't rebuilt his top end on his 250... they last a while with proper mntc...

I'm older now, so I don't rev it like I was when riding 125's... This is KTM's best selling bike I'm told and I see why. So versitile!

Lug it almost like a 4-stroke or rev it with the right power valve spring and dolly setting. You can tailor it to just about anything you want to ride...
[LINK TO IMAGE] Gets GREAT holeshots!

Running with a highly modified 450... It does sign off earlier than the big 4 strokes though, just need to shift again...
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I offered to let GuyB ride/race it during the Alligator Enduro when he was down for Daytona, but I think he was intimidated! Ha HA!

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3/19/2013 9:30 PM

Been on KTMs since 06. 06 300XC, 2009 KTM 400XCW & 2010 300XCWe.
If you're going to use it for romping on some moto tracks or fast "scrambles" type fun, get the XC. Bit stiffer susp for that type of play vs the softer XCW woods susp. Little diff gear ratios too. But both can be geared for whatever. Like FTE & EastFlorida said, these motors are VERY tuneable with p/vlv spr swaps, also map switch, throw an FMF Gnarly on it for more grunt.

It's true, this bike lives up to the hype. I've been riding up here in WA single track now for over 4 yrs, and I'm a short shifter/lugger weighing about 230 geared up & I have absolutely no problem at all getting this up or over anything. It's known as a 3 stroke! It's also a very durable bike with top shelf hardware & components on it.

Your 4t will feel like a BUS after you get that 300! Trust us. :-)

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3/19/2013 10:56 PM

If it were me I'd go with the TM 300MX, balance the crank rather than adding a flywheel weight, slap on a Lectron carb and be in moto bliss!

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3/20/2013 8:33 AM

You won't regreat with any of those two bikes, they handle well in an mx track if it does not have huge jumps or is too fast, but you can always revalve the suspension. In the power side... well I have riden the 300 on ocasion but I have a Gas GAs 300 wich is quiet similar in the power delivery, and my riding buddy has a ktm 250. I prefer the 250 in an mx track, and riding enduro, if it is extremely tight, I prefer the 250 too because the 300 makes me tired. If the terrains is not extremely tight, the 300 is the way to go. In the mx track, you can lug the 300 exiting the turns and it have more than enough power, the best way to ride it is exit in a high gear, if you need help with the clutch, just a touch and it will hook and be a rocket, just do not overrev it because you will get almost nothing of it. But how someone said you can do with these two bikes pretty much whatever you want, they are easy to mod to get an mx bike or an enduro bike

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3/20/2013 8:35 AM

I forgot to say, ktm sells different base cylinder gaskets with different thikness sou you can adapt the power. They have too three different exhaust valve springs to modify the power and an aditional preload screw you can turn from the outside so you decide when the valve opens.

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3/20/2013 8:37 AM

Outsider wrote:

Wow, great info, thanks guys. The top ends are interchangeable same stroke?

Yes. Same with the 250sx and the 300sx kit. The base 250/300 engine is basically common across the line. I believe, but could be wrong that the 300 and 250 barrels are common to the XC and SX (SX 300 kit) with heads and cdi's differing. There are a lot of mix a match pieces to tailor performance.

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3/20/2013 8:43 AM

Outsider wrote:

Wow, great info, thanks guys. The top ends are interchangeable same stroke?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Yes. Same with the 250sx and the 300sx kit. The base 250/300 engine is basically common across the line. I believe, but could be wrong that the 300 and 250 barrels are common to the XC and SX (SX 300 kit) with heads and cdi's differing. There are a lot of mix a match pieces to tailor performance.

you are not wrong, the 300 sx kit is the same cylinder as the xc cylinder, it just has more power with its specific CDI. A friend of mine had a 2009 250sx and put the 300 kit, big difference with the standad CDI to the 300sx one, at least this is what he said, I did not rode that bike. No reason not to trust him, he is a Local Pro

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3/20/2013 11:57 AM

Sounds like maybe I should pick up a used 250sx (easier to find?) and build a 300 sx/xc

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3/20/2013 12:12 PM

Personally, I would go for the XC for the extra gear in the tranny from 11 on. And reportedly better resale.

Ready for a trip up I5?

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mcy/3686504635.html

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3/20/2013 12:19 PM

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Personally, I would go for the XC for the extra gear in the tranny from 11 on. And reportedly better resale.

Ready for a trip up I5?

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mcy/3686504635.html

Heck yeah! That's a good deal with the Rekluse... You should look into that one if it isn't too far...

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3/20/2013 1:06 PM

Shit that is sweet! Not quite flush with that cash yet but nice!

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3/20/2013 2:09 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/20/2013 2:15 PM

nytsmaC wrote:

If it were me I'd go with the TM 300MX, balance the crank rather than adding a flywheel weight, slap on a Lectron carb and be in moto bliss!

Have you taken your new 'blue' bike out yet? If so, how'd it go?

Oh and one day the media will run a TM dyno comparison with other makes of bike that have been bought NOT suplied specially by the manufactures! The TM's come to the test absolutely stock unlike all the others, so take the 'down on power' stuff with a pinch of salt.

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3/20/2013 7:22 PM

PaleBlue wrote:

Have you taken your new 'blue' bike out yet? If so, how'd it go?

Oh and one day the media will run a TM dyno comparison with other makes of bike that have been bought NOT suplied specially by the manufactures! The TM's come to the test absolutely stock unlike all the others, so take the 'down on power' stuff with a pinch of salt.

No haven't tried it yet, still getting snowed on up here. Hopefuly soon!

$6500 seems like a lot for any bike with 100 hours on it, how much mire is it for a brand new 250SX?

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