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Hey fellas,
Im starting this post on who thinks the this is a fair deal? The 450's are a whole 200cc's more and so much technology is going into them. Its obvious that a 4 stroke will always have more bottom end and im not even surprised if the top is same or more. But wouldn't it be a more exciting event to see an SX 300 two stroke up against the 450s? now remember this still makes the 4 stroke 150cc's more so its not too much of a big deal.
I read a review online about a ktm 250sx turned into a ktm 300 sx here's the link:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/TWOSTROKE-TEST-WE-TURN-OUR-KTM-…
You'll read that the 300 doesnt really have more top speed, but just gives it more strength where a 250 is lacking. I think that this would make for such exciting racing if this was to be done. I miss the days of 2 strokes vs 4 strokes. I watched 1 two stroke vs a whole class of four strokes and the statdium mx we have at my local and the whole crowd just couldn't help looking at the guy on the 2 stroke. He was just so much more exciting to watch, but what added to the whole thing was that it doesn't just become about rider vs rider but also 2t vs 4t again. Adding soo much more excitement to the race.
let me know what you all think anyway.
Im starting this post on who thinks the this is a fair deal? The 450's are a whole 200cc's more and so much technology is going into them. Its obvious that a 4 stroke will always have more bottom end and im not even surprised if the top is same or more. But wouldn't it be a more exciting event to see an SX 300 two stroke up against the 450s? now remember this still makes the 4 stroke 150cc's more so its not too much of a big deal.
I read a review online about a ktm 250sx turned into a ktm 300 sx here's the link:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/TWOSTROKE-TEST-WE-TURN-OUR-KTM-…
You'll read that the 300 doesnt really have more top speed, but just gives it more strength where a 250 is lacking. I think that this would make for such exciting racing if this was to be done. I miss the days of 2 strokes vs 4 strokes. I watched 1 two stroke vs a whole class of four strokes and the statdium mx we have at my local and the whole crowd just couldn't help looking at the guy on the 2 stroke. He was just so much more exciting to watch, but what added to the whole thing was that it doesn't just become about rider vs rider but also 2t vs 4t again. Adding soo much more excitement to the race.
let me know what you all think anyway.
I do think that they should be able to come up with a formula that allows dissimilar engine types to race together.
then have a 125 class
Talk about added drama at each race! The factories would still be racing whatever they want to sell, so the 4 strokes would be presented as the "premier" class with the fastest riders and most money, but I am sure the big 3 4 5 whatever are scared what would happen to lap times in the "vintage" class so no way this is gonna be allowed to happen.
The Shop
with the lites times being as good, and in many cases, better than the SX class i don't really see where the 250 smokers are at "that much" of a disadvantage currently (in SX..... outdoors is a different story). as guyb pointed out.... the 450s already put out more power than they can really use (250 lap times are proof of this).
personally, i'd love to see a 300cc smoker allowed in the big bike class at the pro-level. the problem would be getting the most talented in the biz to ride them...... even more of a challenge..... getting the manufacturers to allow their best riders to ride them.
Whatever.. At the end of the day, if I could only have one bike, it would be a 300xc.. Track/desert/mountains/etc.. It does it all... Well!!!
The only post that makes sense, but will get ignored and everyone will talk about making a separate two stroke class, or 2 stroke only and 4 stroke only classes or racing 500cc 3 strokes.
But stuff the 125 class, it would be boring to watch. It would be like watching c graders race.
You know how popular restrictor plates are with the NASCAR drivers, right?
I mean another option is to limit cc's. But pulling back cc's in the 250 class will only drive cost up even more I would think and further separate the haves from the have nots.
A restrictor plate is about the quickest, simplest, and cheapest way to pull back the power.
These guys need to slow down just a tad for safety. Also it would make it a lot cheaper for the privateers to compete if they could get out there on a smoker and somewhat compete.
GT car racing has a parity formula but it's complicated and takes a hell of a lot of testing.
I think people should just accept that there is no reasonable way to ensure parity on such different engine configurations.
Pit Row
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Also bring back a box stock 125 2 stroke class with a 15K$ claiming rule to keep the costs down.
dial the shit back....We don't need 60hp to have fun on mx tracks.
A single cylinder 750 could produce 60hp (seems to have been the upper limit for traction/rideability for 20+ years), but do so at a much lower rpm and produce more torque with a broader torque curve than a 450. Easier to ride, more traction due to the lower rpm's, and as a bonus less parts breakage due to under stressed components and the lower rpm's.
No replacement for displacement. That's the thumper's biggest advantage today anyway.
As mentioned, there is no easy solution for how to limit the power. Making the displacement smaller hurts riders like Peick, while restrictors hurt OEM development and encourage big $ to be spent on making power with less air.
The CC for CC thing is a no-brainer though. Anything less than equal sizes is stupid.
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