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8/3/2020 6:24 PM

Any word on when they will hit the showroom? Can we expect a MC350 also? Photo

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8/3/2020 6:28 PM

I don't know the answers to your questions but that is such a nice looking bike.

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8/3/2020 6:37 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2020 6:37 PM

i dig the silver rims!

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Never try to argue with idiots; they will only bring you down to their level.....and being more experienced, they will beat you at their own game!

2020.5 KTM 450 SXF FE
2006 KX250

8/3/2020 6:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2020 6:48 PM

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

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8/3/2020 6:56 PM

bvm111 wrote:

i dig the silver rims!

Wish more oems would go back to silver.

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8/3/2020 7:12 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

It’s NASCAR already. A few guys who win, others.....? I’m waiting for CZ, Maico, Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa, etc. Maybe I can make body kits and stickers kits to convert KTzm’s. 👍

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8/3/2020 7:19 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

I’m with you. Prepare for the downvotes haha.

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

8/3/2020 7:32 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I’m with you. Prepare for the downvotes haha.

I don't care about downvotes. I just wish the people's feelings I hurt would respond with their reasoning but I understand it's easier to say "fuck you" than to debate.

I only say this because there's an overwhelming "I can't wait for the new GasGas" but we all know it's just an appearance thing for now. I try to just point out the hypocrisy.

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8/3/2020 7:36 PM

If all the bikes they go to market with are still ahead of the Japanese bike with most aspects of technology, why does it matter how many they release? It’s still another bike that’s doing things the Japanese manufactures will do in 2-3 years down the line. Be glad that KTM group advanced bike tech the last 10-15 years, even if you choose to ride a Japanese bike because everyone is benefiting off the massive amount of R&D and money they are dumping into the sport.

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8/3/2020 7:37 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I’m with you. Prepare for the downvotes haha.

aeffertz wrote:

I don't care about downvotes. I just wish the people's feelings I hurt would respond with their reasoning but I understand it's easier to say "fuck you" than to debate.

I only say this because there's an overwhelming "I can't wait for the new GasGas" but we all know it's just an appearance thing for now. I try to just point out the hypocrisy.

It’s like reasoning with the Rajneesh. Hard to sway them from their leader.

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

8/3/2020 7:38 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I’m with you. Prepare for the downvotes haha.

aeffertz wrote:

I don't care about downvotes. I just wish the people's feelings I hurt would respond with their reasoning but I understand it's easier to say "fuck you" than to debate.

I only say this because there's an overwhelming "I can't wait for the new GasGas" but we all know it's just an appearance thing for now. I try to just point out the hypocrisy.

Whats hypocritical about it? You do realize that just because you saw a few people post certain things it doesn't mean thats how the majority feels, right? I swear guys around here read a few opinions made by a few people and all of a sudden that means thats how most feel.

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8/3/2020 7:41 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

I buy them because they're the best bikes made for what I do. Try finding a bike from any other manufacturer (minus maybe sherco and beta) who offer a great offroad/extreme Enduro bike. The KTM/Husky is literally the only bike made that I can go race the Tenessee knockout this weekend and ride moto next with a few adjustments.

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8/3/2020 7:45 PM

Most of my comments are made referencing the VMX public opinion. Of course there will be people that disagree and agree. If my comment has 90% downvotes I will try to explain or defend myself a little bit in that thread.

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8/3/2020 8:13 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

I do agree, I do wonder what the difference is between a KTM (and a Husky) compared to the Gas GAS MC range....aside from graphics/colours Note: yes I know the KTM and Husky are slightly different but basically come from the same base.

I also wonder what the pricing will be (if it has been stated, I have missed it).

It is a interesting question too, so what if Montessa (owned by Honda) made a Cota 450R based on the CRF450R with just banging graphics + colours and maybe a few settings differences, what would that do?

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
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8/3/2020 8:58 PM

I would buy another GG again just because of the silver rims.

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8/3/2020 9:10 PM

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8/3/2020 9:36 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

It's like buying different color sets of the same gear dude, it feels different. Plus you're not on the well-known, almighty boring-name KTM that everyone has, you're on a Gas gas which is new, different and more fun despite being the same. It's about sensation, identity and style, adding something different. The same shit when riding tho.

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8/3/2020 10:08 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

kiwifan wrote:

I do agree, I do wonder what the difference is between a KTM (and a Husky) compared to the Gas GAS MC range....aside from graphics/colours Note: yes I know the KTM and Husky are slightly different but basically come from the same base.

I also wonder what the pricing will be (if it has been stated, I have missed it).

It is a interesting question too, so what if Montessa (owned by Honda) made a Cota 450R based on the CRF450R with just banging graphics + colours and maybe a few settings differences, what would that do?

Pricing-
GasGas will be cheaper than KTM and of course Husky, which is already more expensive than KTM.

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8/3/2020 10:13 PM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

kiwifan wrote:

I do agree, I do wonder what the difference is between a KTM (and a Husky) compared to the Gas GAS MC range....aside from graphics/colours Note: yes I know the KTM and Husky are slightly different but basically come from the same base.

I also wonder what the pricing will be (if it has been stated, I have missed it).

It is a interesting question too, so what if Montessa (owned by Honda) made a Cota 450R based on the CRF450R with just banging graphics + colours and maybe a few settings differences, what would that do?

I’m sure it’d be a good thing as long as they pay Contingency for that brand the same way KTM group pays for both Husky and KTM and I’m sure will for GG. Also if they provide new teams and rider slots at the highest levels, I can’t see how more brands pumping more money in sponsorship and contingency could be a bad thing at all.

We could probably argue about diminishing returns at some point but I don’t think we’re there yet. I also thInk most people are weary about new brands because the average rider is super brand loyal. Only a small amount of riders routinely bounce around brands from year to year. You find what you like, you stick with it. There’s plenty of good bikes out there (yes, even the RMs, in before the comments), people should be open to trying and riding more.

Plus the red and silver does look pretty sick and that’s not a stock option currently so even if it’s the same platform by and large, you still have a new aesthetic option to choose from. More options equals win for the rider.

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8/4/2020 12:18 AM

Why no airbox vents? The vents look horrible with numbers. Did they just run the solid plate for pics or did they actually sort something out?

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8/4/2020 1:56 AM

fullfloater wrote:

Why no airbox vents? The vents look horrible with numbers. Did they just run the solid plate for pics or did they actually sort something out?

No vents on Glenn's bike from the race last weekend. I don't think factory KTM use vents either, it's probably cause every normal consumer drills them out so they decided to make a nicer/cleaner option.

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8/4/2020 2:21 AM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

I would buy one. Its a way better looking KTM thats also cheaper. Husky took a step back with their look last update IMO and KTM hasnt gotten prettier. Since they are almost the same bike, looks are all that we looking for here and Gas Gas is by far the best looking KTM.

If I wanted to change my KTM to look like this I would not only have to get a hold of the Gas Gas plastics, wouldnt I have to also change the tank, airbox and possibly subframe?

Easier and cheaper just to buy a Gas Gas.

KTM is great, but the orange and the white one has been a bit fugly lately so I´m excited to see a real beauty.

If they were all the exact same, plastics and everything, I would agree with you. But they arent.

There´s also some slight difference in handling at least between the Husky and the KTM and people usually prefers one or the other. Maybe its the same here.

In 2020/2021 all bikes are very good so a lot of the time its a matter of preference, looks and price.

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8/4/2020 2:27 AM

To be honest it will be different to the ktm.
The husqy is different from the ktm.
I better like the feeling/handling of the husqy over the ktm.
The gasgas will be different in some way.

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8/4/2020 2:35 AM

If your bitching about more brands and more options god help you.

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8/4/2020 3:01 AM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

Yes, the GasGas will be a red KTM. But I think at the end of the day, it comes down to looks of the bike, price and just overall, a new brand. I personally like the look of the 21 GasGas more than the KTM.

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8/4/2020 3:31 AM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

RalphS wrote:

It's like buying different color sets of the same gear dude, it feels different. Plus you're not on the well-known, almighty boring-name KTM that everyone has, you're on a Gas gas which is new, different and more fun despite being the same. It's about sensation, identity and style, adding something different. The same shit when riding tho.

Yep. No one would ever complain when Shoei releases the same helmet in 10 different colors. Why can't KTM release essentially the same bike in 10 different colors? If people buy them and they make money, that's all that matters.

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8/4/2020 4:00 AM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

It seems some would prefer the GasGas (or husky) so they don’t ever have to say they’ve owned a KTM (Technically).

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8/4/2020 4:09 AM

Looks v nice , but am surprised for the love of silver rims , am I in the minority that thinks black rims would look much better

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8/4/2020 4:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/4/2020 4:27 AM

aeffertz wrote:

Hypothetically if KTM made a bike of every color, would you guys even care? I admire them sinking money into the sport but I don't understand the overwhelming 'want' for a 2021 GasGas when it will be identical to a KTM. It just kinda starts to scream NASCAR when there's an entire field of bikes with different names but they're the same bike.

People are saying they "can't wait for the new GasGas bikes" knowing they could have a GasGas right now with Orange plastic. So are people buying things without caring about the performance and just buying things for looks and clout? I thought that was frowned upon here?

RalphS wrote:

It's like buying different color sets of the same gear dude, it feels different. Plus you're not on the well-known, almighty boring-name KTM that everyone has, you're on a Gas gas which is new, different and more fun despite being the same. It's about sensation, identity and style, adding something different. The same shit when riding tho.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep. No one would ever complain when Shoei releases the same helmet in 10 different colors. Why can't KTM release essentially the same bike in 10 different colors? If people buy them and they make money, that's all that matters.

Because shoei isn’t calling it a different brand name and pretending it’s totally different than a regular shoei.

I’d be ok if KTM just called it “the red edition” but don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

8/4/2020 4:42 AM

RalphS wrote:

It's like buying different color sets of the same gear dude, it feels different. Plus you're not on the well-known, almighty boring-name KTM that everyone has, you're on a Gas gas which is new, different and more fun despite being the same. It's about sensation, identity and style, adding something different. The same shit when riding tho.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep. No one would ever complain when Shoei releases the same helmet in 10 different colors. Why can't KTM release essentially the same bike in 10 different colors? If people buy them and they make money, that's all that matters.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Because shoei isn’t calling it a different brand name and pretending it’s totally different than a regular shoei.

I’d be ok if KTM just called it “the red edition” but don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.

Luxottica owns or controls 80% of the sunglasses market. It’s a somewhat similar situation.

General Motors and the Chevrolet/GMC thing.

Dodge/Chrysler/(formerly)Plymouth is the same thing as well.

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