2023 KTM models?

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T-Fish 11/17/2021 5:15am
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New bike or old?
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Motofinne 11/17/2021 6:19am
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Old. Could be some kind of back to back test and that's why that bike is at the track.
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jonesaustin 11/17/2021 6:57am
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3N1MX wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518664/s1200_2FA9E532_234B_4197_BA8E_8F84DC361046.jpg[/img]

dig the look of it
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Crisp 11/17/2021 2:27pm
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3N1MX wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518664/s1200_2FA9E532_234B_4197_BA8E_8F84DC361046.jpg[/img]

duboiz wrote:
I'm sure redbull is pleased with the shroud design
Yep. I was hoping that the shroud was just a dummy to disguise the real one. Looks like its here to stay. Sad
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JJ_Reidy 11/21/2021 6:24am
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So KTM seems to be going with a GET ECU set up with the TBI plate and oil injection delete. They should have done this from the beginning.
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swordfish 11/21/2021 11:12am
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JJ_Reidy wrote:
So KTM seems to be going with a GET ECU set up with the TBI plate and oil injection delete. They should have done this from...
So KTM seems to be going with a GET ECU set up with the TBI plate and oil injection delete. They should have done this from the beginning.
According to who😂
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mofomotojoe 11/21/2021 12:43pm
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Crisp wrote:
Yep. I was hoping that the shroud was just a dummy to disguise the real one. Looks like its here to stay. Sad
Just imagine if they did to the shroud what they had done to the Husky side panels...
KISKA designs is trying...
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Slay896 11/21/2021 1:53pm
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Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve...
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swordfish 11/21/2021 2:25pm
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Slay896 wrote:
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/21/519225/s1200_83FC9579_E433_4DDC_B4A7_0B60E171B774.jpg[/img]
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve...
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What are they thinking is going to be the main advantage?
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b_kowalsk 11/21/2021 2:36pm
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Slay896 wrote:
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/21/519225/s1200_83FC9579_E433_4DDC_B4A7_0B60E171B774.jpg[/img]
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve...
swordfish wrote:
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What...
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What are they thinking is going to be the main advantage?
Maybe tunability? Instead of a manual adjustment maybe they want to be able to control the PV via mapping.
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#434 11/21/2021 3:12pm
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Slay896 wrote:
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/21/519225/s1200_83FC9579_E433_4DDC_B4A7_0B60E171B774.jpg[/img]
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve...
Wow! Looks like a new cylinder and head. The mouting point of the head stays are different.
So no TPI, electric PV and start. Nice!
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#434 11/21/2021 3:17pm
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Slay896 wrote:
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/21/519225/s1200_83FC9579_E433_4DDC_B4A7_0B60E171B774.jpg[/img]
Okay, fuel injected and electronic exaust valve...
swordfish wrote:
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What...
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What are they thinking is going to be the main advantage?
b_kowalsk wrote:
Maybe tunability? Instead of a manual adjustment maybe they want to be able to control the PV via mapping.
It‘s also a lot less parts. If you already have a battery for the starter and fuel pump, why not do a electric PV.
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Austin_Rankin 11/21/2021 3:34pm
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#434 wrote:
It‘s also a lot less parts. If you already have a battery for the starter and fuel pump, why not do a electric PV.
Because the people with 2004 CR125R hondas can tell you all about it,

Capaciter in cdi takes shit and out goes the powervalve!
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mx317 11/21/2021 3:42pm
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#434 wrote:
It‘s also a lot less parts. If you already have a battery for the starter and fuel pump, why not do a electric PV.
Austin_Rankin wrote:
Because the people with 2004 CR125R hondas can tell you all about it,

Capaciter in cdi takes shit and out goes the powervalve!
That was almost 20 years ago. Technology is much better now.
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Matt Fisher 11/21/2021 7:49pm
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swordfish wrote:
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What...
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What are they thinking is going to be the main advantage?
I think it was an interview with Grant Langston, he said one of his factory bikes used an electronic PV for consistency. Centrifugal ones vary slightly based on engine temp, oil thickness, spring tension, etc. Could be wrong on it being a GL interview, but I do remember the consistency part.

Particularly with a FI engine, an electronic PV would give far more tunability for the end-user.
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crawfishoo 11/21/2021 9:07pm
11/21/2021 9:07pm
TBI - Yes and please
Electronic PV - Yes and please
Electric start - Indifferent (but my A-stars are begging Please)

Love my 18 250SX but I will be excited about a fuel injected two stroke SX bike.
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Richy 11/22/2021 12:25am
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I kinda like the carb / kickstart / minimal tech on 2 Strokes, tbe current gen KTMs are perfect imo, as developed as you can get without adding complexity.

I understand the push to keep improving though and hope it works out as well as it could do.
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tek14 11/22/2021 3:41am
11/22/2021 3:41am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2021 3:42am
Sounds like KTM will bring SX 2-strokes back to life. Imagine adjusting your car carb again when its cloudy day or sunshine. TPI was awesome in enduro models but this new combo TBi + Electric PV and start sounds even better for SX models.
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#434 11/22/2021 4:40am
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swordfish wrote:
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What...
The Electric PV pics have been floating around for a while. I don’t find the TM PV set up feels any better than my mechanical. What are they thinking is going to be the main advantage?
Matt Fisher wrote:
I think it was an interview with Grant Langston, he said one of his factory bikes used an electronic PV for consistency. Centrifugal ones vary slightly...
I think it was an interview with Grant Langston, he said one of his factory bikes used an electronic PV for consistency. Centrifugal ones vary slightly based on engine temp, oil thickness, spring tension, etc. Could be wrong on it being a GL interview, but I do remember the consistency part.

Particularly with a FI engine, an electronic PV would give far more tunability for the end-user.
It‘s not so much about tuneability. The important thing is the ecu knows/dictates what the PV is doing.
Like you said, it’s consistant and reliable all the time. This is a benefit when you want to push the EFI towards a crisp/lean/responsive setting for moto.
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#434 11/22/2021 6:21am
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Here are the pics from moto_adviser:

No kick, but e-start, new frame and shock, old plastics:


Much nicer rear on the 23 husky:


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GingerSnapRacing 11/22/2021 6:45am
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I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
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Jeff_Brines 11/22/2021 8:16am
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GingerSnapRacing wrote:
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not...
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
I don't understand anyone who says fuel injection is somehow harder to work on. Its incredibly simple. Injector(s), ECU, fuel pump. That's it.
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#434 11/22/2021 8:24am
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GingerSnapRacing wrote:
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not...
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
Jeff_Brines wrote:
I don't understand anyone who says fuel injection is somehow harder to work on. Its incredibly simple. Injector(s), ECU, fuel pump. That's it.
Yes, same here! And getting rid of the sticky mechanics of the PV doesn‘t hurt either.
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suspensionguy 11/22/2021 8:26am
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GingerSnapRacing wrote:
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not...
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
Jeff_Brines wrote:
I don't understand anyone who says fuel injection is somehow harder to work on. Its incredibly simple. Injector(s), ECU, fuel pump. That's it.
Until you have a problem, and spend hours or days chasing it. I had no voltage(well actually like .05v) going to my tps, so it would run but not correctly, would over fuel even with the tps set to spec tolerance. A average person will not be able to diagnose and fix a problem like that, ended up being a failed wiring harness. I’d personally take a carb and swapping jets over using a ohm meter but I’m dumb and will likely put a deposit down on a new 250sx as soon as they’re released.
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GingerSnapRacing 11/22/2021 9:21am
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GingerSnapRacing wrote:
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not...
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
Jeff_Brines wrote:
I don't understand anyone who says fuel injection is somehow harder to work on. Its incredibly simple. Injector(s), ECU, fuel pump. That's it.
I agree it is not the most complex thing but until on board diagnostics improve it’s not going to be near as simple. You can’t change my mind I KNOW how to work on EFI I know how to troubleshoot and diagnose. But I learned how to diagnose a not running carb bike in less than a day. EFI is a-lot more parts and a bit more expensive. Fuel pump, tps, in tank filter, external filter, battery, charging system, injector, intake temp sensor. A

It is actually harder to work on it’s not as easy to diagnose. Like I said I know how to work on it and it’s not the hardest thing in the world. But it is in fact more difficult at the track to fix than carb.

That said EFI if done correct with good electronics is more reliable and more consistent. Also has the potential for more power. But I personally as someone who keeps my bikes usually for 5-10 years have no interest in going EFI on a 2 stroke.
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#434 11/22/2021 10:00am
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Let‘s assume nothing breaks and everything works… what can one expect of a TBI 125SX with an electric PV compared to a well tuned carburated 125SX??
Has anybody rode a TBI EXC?
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Pirate421 11/22/2021 7:11pm
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What does everyone think this means for the tpi bikes? Will they be regarded as oddball years and tank the resale? I know some people love them and some hate them. Or is tbi another measure to meet standards and the tpi could be “better” somehow? Just curious where I’ll be left standing with my XC next year.
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GingerSnapRacing wrote:
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not...
I’ll be honest if KTM goes TBI,estart on the 125’s my next one will be a YZ or another pre 2023 125. For me it’s not about the power and ect but about the fact I like it simple and easy to work on.
Jeff_Brines wrote:
I don't understand anyone who says fuel injection is somehow harder to work on. Its incredibly simple. Injector(s), ECU, fuel pump. That's it.
suspensionguy wrote:
Until you have a problem, and spend hours or days chasing it. I had no voltage(well actually like .05v) going to my tps, so it would...
Until you have a problem, and spend hours or days chasing it. I had no voltage(well actually like .05v) going to my tps, so it would run but not correctly, would over fuel even with the tps set to spec tolerance. A average person will not be able to diagnose and fix a problem like that, ended up being a failed wiring harness. I’d personally take a carb and swapping jets over using a ohm meter but I’m dumb and will likely put a deposit down on a new 250sx as soon as they’re released.
It's not difficult to use a volt meter...
learn how test voltages or jetting for a rookie mechanic level? My money is on the rookie mechanic fixing an fi problem before getting a rough jetted two stroke to run perfect.
I get if carbs are all a guy has done, it is a learning curve and can be frustrating but it's not difficult with a little patience.
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