2023 KTM models?

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Richy wrote:
Presumably it's one of the hydraulic push-up tensioners? What is it you dislike out of interest, the quality? Principally it's a pretty well proven design elsewhere...
Presumably it's one of the hydraulic push-up tensioners? What is it you dislike out of interest, the quality?
Principally it's a pretty well proven design elsewhere in high performance bikes as well as cars.
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise when restarted until it rebuilds oil pressure. It is a common issue and replacing it with an aftermarket tensioner is very common.
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Davinci67 wrote:
Cone valves will work shock will notโ€ฆ
That is the word on the street, but I guess we will see on December 10th
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Davinci67 wrote:
Cone valves will work shock will notโ€ฆ
Brent wrote:
That is the word on the street, but I guess we will see on December 10th
Before I bought my cone valves I confirmed with WP, forks will work shock wonโ€™t.
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FGR01 wrote:
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise...
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise when restarted until it rebuilds oil pressure. It is a common issue and replacing it with an aftermarket tensioner is very common.
I did think it may be a sketchy KTM part issue rather than a 'that type of tensioner' issue, thanks man.

I seem to remember hearing the upgraded tensioner thing around and have definitely heard some rattly orange 250's around..
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I really just want to hear about the 2023 250sx...
Some motor changes would be nice ... but remember that when KTM did the last BIG shift in 2016, the four-strokes were released as 2015.5 FEs, and the new 150 was released in 2016, but it wasn't until 2017 that we saw a new 250/300 2stroke.
I also hope we see the 2023 chassis with the 2022 250sx motor, that would still be sick without major engine changes.
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Is it just me or is that thing uuuuugly?

The 16> on KTMs look sweet, both generations, and the 16-18 Huskys were fine looking bikes and maybe a slight step down for the 19> ones with the weird number boards, but it looks like shit's getting real weird for the Austrains from now...
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10/24/2021 2:20am Edited Date/Time 10/24/2021 2:20am
duboiz wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/23/515773/s1200_189828972_6084820231531954_8939024048948282728_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/23/515774/s1200_s780_plessingerktm_566496.jpg[/img]


Oh no. Long time KTM fan here. I hated the Husky with the funky number plates but now it looks remarkably good compared to the new gen KTM. Please tell me that someone squished that pic and it's not that bad. #madmax
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10/24/2021 4:33am
The 2023 model shroud looks like it was taken from a Dakar bike , and its missing the headlight plastic.
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Richy wrote:
Presumably it's one of the hydraulic push-up tensioners? What is it you dislike out of interest, the quality? Principally it's a pretty well proven design elsewhere...
Presumably it's one of the hydraulic push-up tensioners? What is it you dislike out of interest, the quality?
Principally it's a pretty well proven design elsewhere in high performance bikes as well as cars.
FGR01 wrote:
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise...
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise when restarted until it rebuilds oil pressure. It is a common issue and replacing it with an aftermarket tensioner is very common.
In the automotive world they've added a step locking system to them so they won't go slack when you lose oil pressure.
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FGR01 wrote:
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise...
It's proven to be shit in the KTM 250/350. It goes slack when the bike is turned off resulting in loads of cam chain slap noise when restarted until it rebuilds oil pressure. It is a common issue and replacing it with an aftermarket tensioner is very common.
Richy wrote:
I did think it may be a sketchy KTM part issue rather than a 'that type of tensioner' issue, thanks man. I seem to remember hearing...
I did think it may be a sketchy KTM part issue rather than a 'that type of tensioner' issue, thanks man.

I seem to remember hearing the upgraded tensioner thing around and have definitely heard some rattly orange 250's around..
You should hear my 05 F150 when I start it in the morning.
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10/24/2021 6:25am Edited Date/Time 10/24/2021 6:31am
The 2023 model shroud looks like it was taken from a Dakar bike , and its missing the headlight plastic.
Funny you should say that, I'm pretty worried after seeing Husky's next gen Dakar bike that the number boards and shrouds will carry over from that to the new MX bikes... the rad shroud is similar to the new 23 KTM styling but the rest is even worse.



edit. realised this comment is worthless without the pic
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mark_sxf wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/29/516510/s1200_328CE1EE_B5FC_4ECB_B87C_418ADF69D3E8.jpg[/img]

Looks a little better from this angle.. so you think the shrouds are like that to try and funnel airflow to the rads?
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Don't love the look, but it will look normal in 6 months. Same thing with any major design change.
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luke11 wrote:
Looks a little better from this angle.. so you think the shrouds are like that to try and funnel airflow to the rads?
All signs are pointing to intimidation factor, sorta like a porcupine
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10/29/2021 9:45am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2021 9:46am
2023 production bikes will have a quickshifter. 250 is supposed to have more bottom-end power (yamaha like), but still have that KTM long over-rev.
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tek14 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/29/516523/s1200_51EB8C43_1022_4DF6_ADF0_D2F66E5624EC.jpg[/img]

That header looks.. interesting
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tek14 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/29/516523/s1200_51EB8C43_1022_4DF6_ADF0_D2F66E5624EC.jpg[/img]

duboiz wrote:
That header looks.. interesting
Frame looks so tight around motor like its 125 frame and 450 motor. Whole packed is just size of Herlings booth. They did test bike at Cremona also Vialle with 250f.
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10/29/2021 10:22am
Odd that the Herlings bike would have a black frame? As nskerb said, it's going to look good/normal in no time.
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2023 2-strokes might see some interesting changes. The factory riders have all but abandoned TPI in favor of throttle body injection. Oil injection seems to be deleted as well. Guessing this will be the configuration of the new 250SX.








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Shrouds sticking out that far out front look vulnerable to more crash damage than current models. Anyone see subframe spars? Looks like possible composite mold like Husky. Hear a lot of horror stories about those getting broken around here.
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Yzf916 wrote:
Shrouds sticking out that far out front look vulnerable to more crash damage than current models. Anyone see subframe spars? Looks like possible composite mold like...
Shrouds sticking out that far out front look vulnerable to more crash damage than current models. Anyone see subframe spars? Looks like possible composite mold like Husky. Hear a lot of horror stories about those getting broken around here.
From what I hear Husqvarna are moving away from the composite/plastic/carbon subframe so I doubt that KTMs will use them.
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aees wrote:
If they make that bike smaller than it already is, im out after 8 years of new KTM. Has to be a freaking midget to race...
If they make that bike smaller than it already is, im out after 8 years of new KTM. Has to be a freaking midget to race it.
Silas444 wrote:
Horses for courses, as they say. Some people want their bike to feel like a four-door SUV, and others (like me, for example), want it to...
Horses for courses, as they say. Some people want their bike to feel like a four-door SUV, and others (like me, for example), want it to feel like a sports car.
So ride a supermini
I do...and its a little ripper! Been riding it a lot lately and will be riding it next weekend on my 56th birthday! Most fun bike I have ever had...I want a 150 as a big brother for it now..
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Silas444 wrote:
Horses for courses, as they say. Some people want their bike to feel like a four-door SUV, and others (like me, for example), want it to...
Horses for courses, as they say. Some people want their bike to feel like a four-door SUV, and others (like me, for example), want it to feel like a sports car.
So ride a supermini
PJRAUS wrote:
I do...and its a little ripper! Been riding it a lot lately and will be riding it next weekend on my 56th birthday! Most fun bike...
I do...and its a little ripper! Been riding it a lot lately and will be riding it next weekend on my 56th birthday! Most fun bike I have ever had...I want a 150 as a big brother for it now..
Just how much of a short arse are you, PJ ? Woohoo

I think I've asked you this before, and you were only a bit shorter than I am. Though, I'm sure, nowhere near as 'spherical'. I'm old, and ever growing on the horizontal plane.

You know my attitude to grown ups riding on little bikes - the 'Nanna' Bear in me comes out, as I've seen so many grown ups get really, really axed on Minicycles over so many decades.

I guess you're tiny / small / petite / 'miniature'................ Wink

There's that ( funny / nasty- depends I guess) song by Randy Newman - "Short People" (go not reason......) that seems to become an ear worm each time I'm reminded of your Minicycle Fetish, you little - one assumes - b*****d. Whistling
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So ride a supermini
PJRAUS wrote:
I do...and its a little ripper! Been riding it a lot lately and will be riding it next weekend on my 56th birthday! Most fun bike...
I do...and its a little ripper! Been riding it a lot lately and will be riding it next weekend on my 56th birthday! Most fun bike I have ever had...I want a 150 as a big brother for it now..
Bearuno wrote:
Just how much of a short arse are you, [b]PJ [/b] ? :woohoo: I think I've asked you this before, and you were only a bit...
Just how much of a short arse are you, PJ ? Woohoo

I think I've asked you this before, and you were only a bit shorter than I am. Though, I'm sure, nowhere near as 'spherical'. I'm old, and ever growing on the horizontal plane.

You know my attitude to grown ups riding on little bikes - the 'Nanna' Bear in me comes out, as I've seen so many grown ups get really, really axed on Minicycles over so many decades.

I guess you're tiny / small / petite / 'miniature'................ Wink

There's that ( funny / nasty- depends I guess) song by Randy Newman - "Short People" (go not reason......) that seems to become an ear worm each time I'm reminded of your Minicycle Fetish, you little - one assumes - b*****d. Whistling
Well...there can be no question that I have ducks disease..not encumbered with the spherical growth problem however..
Until recently I have been behaving myself out in the kids session...not jumping the big jumps, just riding around with the youngsters. Then I decided it was time I pushed my way to the front of the group ...all revving their engines in anticipation of their turn out on the track...gave myself a clear track and sent every jump on the first lap...only to get dragged by the boss man half way through the second lap..."" if your going to do that then you have to ride with the adults "" he said.,...so I did! Now that was some serious fun...giving 450 guys the buisness on my super mini...nothing corners like a super mini!!๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
Got a nice photo here ridingwith the other little kids b4 I was so rudelytold to leave!
Dylan Long asked me why Im always riding that super mini...I replied that Im only 14...he said Im the only 14 year old hes ever seen with a beer gut!

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Playing with the Kids Woohoo

That's a dangerous game!

I was a member of Lower Mountains MCC. And, by the time I'm referring to, I'd already largely switched to Enduros. Even back in the 70s and 80s you soon realized you got a whole lot more bang for your buck in terms of riding time over doing just MX, by doing Enduros.

But, I'd still do some club MX, with my 4t /2t hybrids. I'd do the Trail Bike (rego'd) class, 250 and Open. And, often the 125s ( officials were realists, I and others, were not going to blitz anyone with our 'bigger' bikes) with my 'fire breathing ' Whistling RM/XR, or CR/XRs. The 125 races were the ones I'd finish furthest back in, as it was populated with very fast, somewhat psychotic youngsters. Lower Mountains was the biggest MX related club for many years. Shedloads of 'guns' were in the club, and so many other club riders came to our events - we were good at turning a blind eye to the then ACU's idiotic, One Rider, One Club edict. That rule, was truly archaic.

We had 2 notable 'youngsters' coming through, in the early 80s, by the names of Craig Dack and Glen Bell. And they were somewhat above the other (still, many blazingly fast) kids.

So, they took to letting those 2 ( well, mainly Dack), ride their 80s in a few races with the big bikes to give them a little bit of a challenge..... I, and a fair few others, rapidly got used to being blitzed (and, sometimes lapped) by a kid on an 80 in 6 lap race.

I think that's a pretty standard tale most of us can tell, just different names, different places.

Your note about the "14 year old with a Beer Gut":

Have you noticed - not at races, MC kids are active - but say, at the shops, how many Chubbie Kids and Teenagers there are nowadays? Good grief, we're in for torrid time in the future with regards to health. I've got a bit of ( but still not good enough) an excuse, being in my 7th decade, and on a stick / crutches, which has slowed me right down with regards to exercise, thus putting on kilos, but the 'blimp' factor among youngsters is a bloody worry, that's for sure.
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