2023 KTM 300 SX vs XC Price difference

5/10/2022 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2022 5:22am
Why is the XC $1900 more?? differences I can spot are rear wheel, gas tank, XC Has hand guards, XC has 6 speed Transmission, XC has skid plate, XC Has Kickstand.

Price Breakdown (2022 OEM Price)

19" Wheel - $680
18" Wheel - $609

SX Tank - $116
XC Tank - $150

Hand Guards - $41

6th Gear - $150 ish

Skid Plate - $150??

Kickstand - $160

So it looks like the XC has about $465 more (retail price) in parts. I don't get it. What am I missing?



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5/10/2022 4:22pm
Great post. Good question. Good research. Thanks!
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5/10/2022 4:27pm
I think your 6th gear is a bit undervalued but you have a fair point none the less
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5/10/2022 4:30pm
Dirt bike pricing is just about demographics, and what the manufacturers think the market can bear.

Why does a 450f cost more than a 250f? Production costs would be basically the same between the two.

I think off-road/enduro models always get a bigger mark up from Ktm, because they know they don’t have to compete with Japan in the enduro sector, by and large.

Mx market is more competitive so they can’t get away with higher prices to the same degree.
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5/10/2022 7:05pm
The XC will be a 5 speed, from what I saw posted
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5/10/2022 7:17pm
langhammx wrote:
The XC will be a 5 speed, from what I saw posted
where did you see it? the only place I've seen anything about the transmission is on the actual KTM Website. none of the press releases say it has a 5 speed. Which makes me believe it's still 6 because why wouldn't they talk about another "All-New" thing about the bike?
5/10/2022 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2022 7:22pm
langhammx wrote:
The XC will be a 5 speed, from what I saw posted
Also This makes me believe its 6 speed. I also checked the 2022 Fiche and the 6th gears are different part numbers.


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5/10/2022 7:33pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2022 7:37pm
Also This makes me believe its 6 speed. I also checked the 2022 Fiche and the 6th gears are different part numbers. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/10/549298/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_05_10_at_7.18.21_PM.jpg[/img]
Also This makes me believe its 6 speed. I also checked the 2022 Fiche and the 6th gears are different part numbers.


Man, I hope you’re right. I’d already accepted the 5 speed, but I’d rather have a 6th gear. Cool

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https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/enduro/2-stroke/ktm-300-xc-2023.html

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5/10/2022 7:38pm
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/10/549299/s1200_0E2D17C6_6F86_43C2_8036_19DF7C41FF12.jpg[/img]

right I saw that. I think they just copied everything from the SX page. I believe the fiche over that page haha none of the press releases mention anything about it
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5/10/2022 7:38pm
Glad you brought this up…had the same thought today. I have a 21 300XC and 11,049 msrp plus 500 in freight, will be a 13k dirtbike. Seems like buying the 300sx and doing your own upgrades will be more cost effective.
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right I saw that. I think they just copied everything from the SX page. I believe the fiche over that page haha none of the press...
right I saw that. I think they just copied everything from the SX page. I believe the fiche over that page haha none of the press releases mention anything about it
I can find out tomorrow for sure
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5/10/2022 7:47pm
The two pages are different, but hopefully you are correct about the 6 speed



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5/11/2022 4:03am Edited Date/Time 5/11/2022 4:06am
Everything I am seeing says xc is a 5 speed, and, as mentioned above, essentially the same bike as the sx, but with the woods goodies. Glad I bought the 22 now as I was considering waiting for a 23. For me the 300TPI is plenty of power, even coming from a 350. And, I love my 6th gear!

This is me assuming that the sx and xc went TBI to get back the 2 stroke hit? Anyone know more about why they went to TBI for these models? Will the W's get TBI in 24, or stay TPI?
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5/11/2022 4:41am
It is all what the market will bear. The 125xc is only $300 more than the 125sx and it gets nearly the same changes as the 250 and 300. I think the four stroke xc bikes are about $500 more than the mx versions and they get the same changes as the 250/300. I am glad to see skid plates are nearly standard now. I am curious if the skid plate tabs will be included on the sx frames.
5/11/2022 9:06am
langhammx wrote:
The two pages are different, but hopefully you are correct about the 6 speed [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/10/549300/s1200_7FAB09CC_D0AC_490C_90DD_848ED10CBF09.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/10/549301/s1200_4F528FC2_E13C_4908_B0EF_773624C4E105.jpg[/img]
The two pages are different, but hopefully you are correct about the 6 speed



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I KNEW IT!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/11/549390/s1200_69FFA5C0_E9C3_42DB_80BF_41AFE34C5E14.jpg[/img]
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That’s great news. Where did you see this ? Did they correct their mistake ?
5/11/2022 9:11am
I KNEW IT!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/11/549390/s1200_69FFA5C0_E9C3_42DB_80BF_41AFE34C5E14.jpg[/img]
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langhammx wrote:
That’s great news. Where did you see this ? Did they correct their mistake ?
Yep. Right on the websites
5/11/2022 9:14am
The 300sx has me looking seriously at a new bike and I’ve never owned one new in my life before.

Can’t imagine why you’d buy an xc any more, there are always people selling their XC take off tanks and the 18 vs 19 wheel size is completely negligible for 98% of trail riders. Kickstands are nice but I haven’t had one in 8 years and I’m not clamoring for it.
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5/11/2022 9:23am
The 300sx has me looking seriously at a new bike and I’ve never owned one new in my life before. Can’t imagine why you’d buy an...
The 300sx has me looking seriously at a new bike and I’ve never owned one new in my life before.

Can’t imagine why you’d buy an xc any more, there are always people selling their XC take off tanks and the 18 vs 19 wheel size is completely negligible for 98% of trail riders. Kickstands are nice but I haven’t had one in 8 years and I’m not clamoring for it.
I'd buy an XC because I don't ride tracks. Ever. Have you ever asked your dealer what the best selling bike is? It's a 300XC. And I'm almost positive its not being mostly sold to guys that ride tracks and swap tanks and rear wheels. Buying a 250SX and a 300SX big bore kit is cheaper than a 300XC and swapping parts.
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5/11/2022 9:24am
The 300sx has me looking seriously at a new bike and I’ve never owned one new in my life before. Can’t imagine why you’d buy an...
The 300sx has me looking seriously at a new bike and I’ve never owned one new in my life before.

Can’t imagine why you’d buy an xc any more, there are always people selling their XC take off tanks and the 18 vs 19 wheel size is completely negligible for 98% of trail riders. Kickstands are nice but I haven’t had one in 8 years and I’m not clamoring for it.
Not sure how much trail riding you do, but riding a MX bike isn’t ideal. The two disciplines require totally different suspension set ups to be ridden to their potential. Soft settings at the track is dangerous and stiff (MX) settings will deflect and wear you out on the OffRoad riding and can also be dangerous.
Not that either bike can’t be set up for desired terrain, but I’d rather buy the bike designed for the riding I intend to ride with it.

5-speed, versus 6-speed is another thing to be considered as well.

Of course this is my opinion and if I could only afford to own one bike for both I’d have to decide which one to buy. I’d lean towards the SX and suffer a bit with stiff suspension.
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5/11/2022 10:01am
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would go SX all the way. About the only thing I have started to consider is a kickstand after all these years, but again, not a big deal.

To me, the deal breaker is the EFI and no kicker. I'm not down with with that yet. A 2022 250SX is the bike I would purchase today.
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5/11/2022 10:06am
Micahdogg wrote:
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would...
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would go SX all the way. About the only thing I have started to consider is a kickstand after all these years, but again, not a big deal.

To me, the deal breaker is the EFI and no kicker. I'm not down with with that yet. A 2022 250SX is the bike I would purchase today.
Once you go kickstand...you never go back. Especially since the KTM ones tuck away so nice and have the rubber strap to keep them in place over jumps.
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5/11/2022 10:11am
Micahdogg wrote:
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would...
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would go SX all the way. About the only thing I have started to consider is a kickstand after all these years, but again, not a big deal.

To me, the deal breaker is the EFI and no kicker. I'm not down with with that yet. A 2022 250SX is the bike I would purchase today.
If you haven’t had a properly set up OffRoad bike, then you really don’t know what you’re missing.
There’s a pretty significant difference between them. No way I’m riding my Mx bike on the OffRoad trails I ride. But to each their own, I’m glad I’m able to have both.
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5/11/2022 10:15am
To my benefit, I'm 225lbs so suspension usually isn't too stiff for me. I also ride a bunch of different stuff. Do a 2 hour hare scramble on a stock 86 ATC250R and then complain about MX vs. Offroad set ups Smile
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5/11/2022 11:11am
Micahdogg wrote:
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would...
I've exclusively ridden MX bikes for the past 20 years offroad. It's not that bad...its not like chopping street bikes down to make scramblers. I would go SX all the way. About the only thing I have started to consider is a kickstand after all these years, but again, not a big deal.

To me, the deal breaker is the EFI and no kicker. I'm not down with with that yet. A 2022 250SX is the bike I would purchase today.
langhammx wrote:
If you haven’t had a properly set up OffRoad bike, then you really don’t know what you’re missing. There’s a pretty significant difference between them. No...
If you haven’t had a properly set up OffRoad bike, then you really don’t know what you’re missing.
There’s a pretty significant difference between them. No way I’m riding my Mx bike on the OffRoad trails I ride. But to each their own, I’m glad I’m able to have both.
I am not sure any oem suspension will qualify for that. You could get a pretty good off-road revalve on that sx bike for far less than $1800.
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5/11/2022 11:20am
wrc777 wrote:
I am not sure any oem suspension will qualify for that. You could get a pretty good off-road revalve on that sx bike for far less...
I am not sure any oem suspension will qualify for that. You could get a pretty good off-road revalve on that sx bike for far less than $1800.
No doubt the SX300 can be set up for OffRoad.
That really wasn’t the point I was trying to make.
If you’re going to purchase only one bike and ride it just OffRoad, then you can make any bike trail worthy. I don’t really base my decision on $1800.
But when KTM has specific bikes, for certain terrain, I’m going to start there. But I’m a little spoiled with being able to have a specific bike for moto and another one for single track/ technical riding.

I’d rather have a 6-speed transmission for my OffRoad ventures and likewise with a 5-speed for moto. Opinions may differ….
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5/11/2022 11:22am
Micahdogg wrote:
To my benefit, I'm 225lbs so suspension usually isn't too stiff for me. I also ride a bunch of different stuff. Do a 2 hour hare...
To my benefit, I'm 225lbs so suspension usually isn't too stiff for me. I also ride a bunch of different stuff. Do a 2 hour hare scramble on a stock 86 ATC250R and then complain about MX vs. Offroad set ups Smile
Yeah, you got me there. It’s been 45 years since I rode an ATC, I don’t miss them. Sounds like you aren’t to picky on your suspension. But if you had a good tuner set up your bike, you’d wonder why you didn’t do it earlier.
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5/11/2022 11:30am
wrc777 wrote:
I am not sure any oem suspension will qualify for that. You could get a pretty good off-road revalve on that sx bike for far less...
I am not sure any oem suspension will qualify for that. You could get a pretty good off-road revalve on that sx bike for far less than $1800.
langhammx wrote:
No doubt the SX300 can be set up for OffRoad. That really wasn’t the point I was trying to make. If you’re going to purchase only...
No doubt the SX300 can be set up for OffRoad.
That really wasn’t the point I was trying to make.
If you’re going to purchase only one bike and ride it just OffRoad, then you can make any bike trail worthy. I don’t really base my decision on $1800.
But when KTM has specific bikes, for certain terrain, I’m going to start there. But I’m a little spoiled with being able to have a specific bike for moto and another one for single track/ technical riding.

I’d rather have a 6-speed transmission for my OffRoad ventures and likewise with a 5-speed for moto. Opinions may differ….
If you are using 6th gear enough to need it then yeah you don't really have a choice. On the other hand if you are using 6th gear a lot on anything except paved roads, KTM XC suspension is way too soft.
5/11/2022 11:31am
Mx bikes for off-road for me too and just about everyone else in the faster classes at the races. Other then a 18” rear you have to add the same stuff to the off-road models that you do to a mx bike for real off-road, makes sense to start with a cheaper bike and close ratio trans.
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5/11/2022 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2022 2:24pm
langhammx wrote:
Not sure how much trail riding you do, but riding a MX bike isn’t ideal. The two disciplines require totally different suspension set ups to be...
Not sure how much trail riding you do, but riding a MX bike isn’t ideal. The two disciplines require totally different suspension set ups to be ridden to their potential. Soft settings at the track is dangerous and stiff (MX) settings will deflect and wear you out on the OffRoad riding and can also be dangerous.
Not that either bike can’t be set up for desired terrain, but I’d rather buy the bike designed for the riding I intend to ride with it.

5-speed, versus 6-speed is another thing to be considered as well.

Of course this is my opinion and if I could only afford to own one bike for both I’d have to decide which one to buy. I’d lean towards the SX and suffer a bit with stiff suspension.
Come on this is the most over-dramatic comment I’ve ever seen lol. I’ve literally ridden every second of off-road on an MX bike and don’t feel the need for the XC or XCW lines.

Off Road suspension is perfectly safe to ride on Moto, you’re not gonna die because the springs are too soft, it’s just less than ideal
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