2022 CRF250R

NoMuff2Tuff wrote:

When my bike was stock I didn't feel it was a slow bike but the lack low end torque was noticeable. You had to keep momentum...

When my bike was stock I didn't feel it was a slow bike but the lack low end torque was noticeable. You had to keep momentum through turns. A re-mapped vortex, Yosh exh. air filter screen delete, good fuel and a Recluse torque drive clutch helped mine quite a bit. Picks up sooner and stronger through out the whole rev range. I would like to try a 1 larger tooth sprocket now to help out the low end even more since it picked up more over rev. The Honda has great ergonomics, corners like a dream and feels the lightest in the air to me. The Honda may feel slower then the other bikes because of the power delivery but lap times would tell a different story. My guess the 22 will get a completely different head with a center port exhaust, single can and wouldn't be surprised if they changes the bore and stroke to what Husky, KTM, Gas Gas and kawi are running to give the bike more bottom and mid torque. We'll find out soon enough.

kawirider819 wrote:

Rode my 21' CRF250 last weekend for the first time after coming off a 19' Kawi 250. My experience seemed to mirror what the shootouts say...

Rode my 21' CRF250 last weekend for the first time after coming off a 19' Kawi 250. My experience seemed to mirror what the shootouts say. The motor was lacking and it struggled a bit in the sand but by the end of the day I was having an absolute blast. I haven't been on a Honda since my 85 in 03' but I felt the same joy on this bike. I cant wait to ride it again.

sandtrack315 wrote:

That's cool. How lacking did you think the motor was? I will probably get a Vortex ignition mapped by XPR Motorsports, run VP T4, and get...

That's cool. How lacking did you think the motor was?

I will probably get a Vortex ignition mapped by XPR Motorsports, run VP T4, and get a Yosh pipe. I think that will get it close enough to a Yamaha that the fun factor way outweighs the lack of power.

TheRookie wrote:

IMO the motor only lacked on the very bottom. Everywhere else it felt great and that was me coming off a 20 250sxf. Carry more speed...

IMO the motor only lacked on the very bottom. Everywhere else it felt great and that was me coming off a 20 250sxf. Carry more speed and problem solved lol. But seriously a pipe, tune, and re-gearing will wake it up some. idk about a Yamaha's low end power level, because those are tractors, but it will help.

Zycki11 wrote:

I’ve never understood why someone wants a “screamer”. When your that high in the revs it binds the shock and handles poorly through bumps etc. more...

I’ve never understood why someone wants a “screamer”. When your that high in the revs it binds the shock and handles poorly through bumps etc. more torque is the key IMO

Marc_Honda wrote:

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only...

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only follow the 450 style with the frame and plastics.. hydraulic clutch etc..

Marc_Honda wrote:

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only...

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only follow the 450 style with the frame and plastics.. hydraulic clutch etc..

llaliberte22 wrote:

That is my biggest fear with this bike and I think, if those end up being true, many many people will be disappointed. I doubt it...

That is my biggest fear with this bike and I think, if those end up being true, many many people will be disappointed.

I doubt it would be a completely new engine since it was completely new in 2018.

Honda seem to do 2 gen of bike with the same engine base
(09-12 and 13-16 450, 10-13 and 14-17 250 then 17-20 and 21-... 450, 18-21 250) if that pattern is respected, Honda would retain the same engine base.

The top end and dual port exhaust was their big thing and selling features with this engine generation, it was also developed, performance wise, pushing those features.

With that in mind, I doubt they could just swap the top end (like they did on the 450, center port) with a single port and single exhaust

On the other end, I have no clue how they could use dual exhaust in the new chassis with the airbox and bodywork

I also doubt we'll see hydro clutch, HRC or other race team never (in my knowledge) ran official prototype hydraulic clutch. It was pretty common on the HRC 450 since 2014 and the stock unit we now see on the stock 2021 is an exact replica of what as been developed and seen on race bike.

Maybe I'm all wrong, (and I hope so!) But I think my points are logical.

TheRookie wrote:

IMO the motor only lacked on the very bottom. Everywhere else it felt great and that was me coming off a 20 250sxf. Carry more speed...

IMO the motor only lacked on the very bottom. Everywhere else it felt great and that was me coming off a 20 250sxf. Carry more speed and problem solved lol. But seriously a pipe, tune, and re-gearing will wake it up some. idk about a Yamaha's low end power level, because those are tractors, but it will help.

sandtrack315 wrote:

Agreed. On my 2020 Yamaha I end up in third gear in most turns. Problem is it revs out a bit too fast after the exit...

Agreed. On my 2020 Yamaha I end up in third gear in most turns. Problem is it revs out a bit too fast after the exit and it's usually not worth it to click fourth for 30 feet before the next turn, and the bike rolls too easy at entrance if you are still in 4th. I usually just end up slamming the rev limiter for a couple seconds before I let off in these circumstances.

As long as I can carry third on the Honda and it revs farther, even if I need a pipe, tune, and VP T4, I will be very happy. It's easy to get that clean response off the bottom with some mods, but even with a pipe, tune, and VP T4, and the twin air power flow, the 2020 Yamaha just will not rev.

I know they fixed this on the 21, though. It's funny, now that the Yamaha has more top, and I assume Honda will go for more bottom, the 2022 motors might be more similar than they have ever been.

Ryan625 wrote:

Try a 49 tooth rear. I love my 2020 I have a twin air kit and pc pipe and that’s it

Ryan625 wrote:

Try a 49 tooth rear. I love my 2020 I have a twin air kit and pc pipe and that’s it

sandtrack315 wrote:

How fast does 2nd rev out with a 49 / How often do you use 2nd versus 3rd?

sandtrack315 wrote:

I stumbled across this review of the 2021, and it reminds me that we really are on a four-year cycle typically for the Hondas: https://motocrossactionmag.com/amp/mxa-race-test-2021-honda-crf250/ They...

I stumbled across this review of the 2021, and it reminds me that we really are on a four-year cycle typically for the Hondas: https://motocrossactionmag.com/amp/mxa-race-test-2021-honda-crf250/

They put a ton of work into the motor in 2018, and it sucked, so they put a bit more into it in 2019. It would be really odd to have an "all-new" model on their four-year cycle and not redo the motor.

Marc_Honda wrote:

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only...

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but does anyone think they will keep the dual exhaust and dual exhaust port thing they’ve got now, only follow the 450 style with the frame and plastics.. hydraulic clutch etc..

llaliberte22 wrote:

That is my biggest fear with this bike and I think, if those end up being true, many many people will be disappointed. I doubt it...

That is my biggest fear with this bike and I think, if those end up being true, many many people will be disappointed.

I doubt it would be a completely new engine since it was completely new in 2018.

Honda seem to do 2 gen of bike with the same engine base
(09-12 and 13-16 450, 10-13 and 14-17 250 then 17-20 and 21-... 450, 18-21 250) if that pattern is respected, Honda would retain the same engine base.

The top end and dual port exhaust was their big thing and selling features with this engine generation, it was also developed, performance wise, pushing those features.

With that in mind, I doubt they could just swap the top end (like they did on the 450, center port) with a single port and single exhaust

On the other end, I have no clue how they could use dual exhaust in the new chassis with the airbox and bodywork

I also doubt we'll see hydro clutch, HRC or other race team never (in my knowledge) ran official prototype hydraulic clutch. It was pretty common on the HRC 450 since 2014 and the stock unit we now see on the stock 2021 is an exact replica of what as been developed and seen on race bike.

Maybe I'm all wrong, (and I hope so!) But I think my points are logical.

sandtrack315 wrote:

That’s a good point on the motor. They did do a lot of upgrade too it mid cycle too, so maybe they don’t want to abandon...

That’s a good point on the motor. They did do a lot of upgrade too it mid cycle too, so maybe they don’t want to abandon it. At the same time, I don’t know how the dual exhaust would work with the new frame and body worth either, though. And I think they history of a tick-tock for new 450, then new 250, is pretty solid as well?

I hate how expensive aftermarket dual exhaust is, but I am getting a bit nostalgic for it already.

Don’t the Lawrence brother’s run a hydraulic clutch? I honestly don’t care that much about that.

kiwifan wrote:

regardless of cycles the 250 always gets updated after the 450, the 450 was "all new" last year, expect the 2022 250 to be the same...

regardless of cycles the 250 always gets updated after the 450, the 450 was "all new" last year, expect the 2022 250 to be the same (with '21 450 bugs ironed out). i.e. I expect hydro clutch, single muffler, oval centre port, much larger air filter volume, etc etc

kiwifan wrote:

regardless of cycles the 250 always gets updated after the 450, the 450 was "all new" last year, expect the 2022 250 to be the same...

regardless of cycles the 250 always gets updated after the 450, the 450 was "all new" last year, expect the 2022 250 to be the same (with '21 450 bugs ironed out). i.e. I expect hydro clutch, single muffler, oval centre port, much larger air filter volume, etc etc

sandtrack315 wrote:

I’ll be first in line and overpay if so.

It’s annoying they didn’t get the suspension and ecu settings right, but I’ll send both out anyways.

Ryan625 wrote:

Try a 49 tooth rear. I love my 2020 I have a twin air kit and pc pipe and that’s it

sandtrack315 wrote:

How fast does 2nd rev out with a 49 / How often do you use 2nd versus 3rd?

Ryan625 wrote:

2nd carries longer than it used to. I think the 49T just adds that little extra to the end of each gear that I thought was...

2nd carries longer than it used to. I think the 49T just adds that little extra to the end of each gear that I thought was missing. I have the no toil power flow kit and a full pc pipe, that’s it as far as mods. I’m considering an ECU in the future.

Ryan625 wrote:

2nd carries longer than it used to. I think the 49T just adds that little extra to the end of each gear that I thought was...

2nd carries longer than it used to. I think the 49T just adds that little extra to the end of each gear that I thought was missing. I have the no toil power flow kit and a full pc pipe, that’s it as far as mods. I’m considering an ECU in the future.

sandtrack315 wrote:

You are saying adding a tooth to the rear increases the top end pull? I guess you just mean it has more torque/pull all the way...

You are saying adding a tooth to the rear increases the top end pull? I guess you just mean it has more torque/pull all the way throughout?

Ryan625 wrote:

Read it again, I dropped a tooth from 50 to 49

Ryan625 wrote:

Read it again, I dropped a tooth from 50 to 49

sandtrack315 wrote:

oh my bad, I thought 48 was stock?

Ryan625 wrote:

Read it again, I dropped a tooth from 50 to 49

sandtrack315 wrote:

oh my bad, I thought 48 was stock?

afk66 wrote:

It is.

sandtrack315 wrote:

oh my bad, I thought 48 was stock?

afk66 wrote:

It is.

Ryan625 wrote:

My 2020 definitely came with a 50T rear 🤷🏻‍♂️

sandtrack315 wrote:

I stumbled across this review of the 2021, and it reminds me that we really are on a four-year cycle typically for the Hondas: https://motocrossactionmag.com/amp/mxa-race-test-2021-honda-crf250/ They...

I stumbled across this review of the 2021, and it reminds me that we really are on a four-year cycle typically for the Hondas: https://motocrossactionmag.com/amp/mxa-race-test-2021-honda-crf250/

They put a ton of work into the motor in 2018, and it sucked, so they put a bit more into it in 2019. It would be really odd to have an "all-new" model on their four-year cycle and not redo the motor.

afk66 wrote:

It is.

Ryan625 wrote:

My 2020 definitely came with a 50T rear 🤷🏻‍♂️

afk66 wrote:

Interesting, should be a 13/48. Check your manual it shows it there as well. I wonder how you ended up with a 50t? Kinda crazy!!!

Ryan625 wrote:

My 2020 definitely came with a 50T rear 🤷🏻‍♂️

afk66 wrote:

Interesting, should be a 13/48. Check your manual it shows it there as well. I wonder how you ended up with a 50t? Kinda crazy!!!

Ryan625 wrote:

Where have you seen 13/48?

Everywhere I look shows me that 13/50 is stock on a 2020

afk66 wrote:

Interesting, should be a 13/48. Check your manual it shows it there as well. I wonder how you ended up with a 50t? Kinda crazy!!!

Ryan625 wrote:

Where have you seen 13/48?

Everywhere I look shows me that 13/50 is stock on a 2020

RedRider785 wrote:

It is definitely 13/48. My Father just got a new 2021 which is the exact same as the 2020. Also, everywhere I have checked says 13/48...

It is definitely 13/48. My Father just got a new 2021 which is the exact same as the 2020. Also, everywhere I have checked says 13/48. This is why many people are going up to a 49t rear.

Ryan625 wrote:

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it sure seems like you aren’t correct 🤷🏻‍♂️ [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/20/483929/s1200_39E2B75E_8A38_40B8_9F79_A8CD14F1CBAE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/20/483930/s1200_7F5D321D_D591_4D8A_BCE0_EE743EDD7B2B.jpg[/img]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it sure seems like you aren’t correct 🤷🏻‍♂️