2022 CRF250R

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11/22/2020 4:20pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 4:20pm
CRF 250 has always been a turd.
spimx wrote:
18-21 is a turd. The older generations were slow but at least they were reliable and didn't weigh more than a 450
The most fun turd you ever heard. Just like the new 450 every excuse will be made and agreed upon.
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For me, the Honda is a fun bike. My brothers 19 yz250f is a superior machine in many ways. For me, I need a yamaha engine...
For me, the Honda is a fun bike. My brothers 19 yz250f is a superior machine in many ways. For me, I need a yamaha engine in a Honda chassis. 😁
That’s the dream!
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11/22/2020 4:56pm
Leeham wrote:
For me, the Honda is a fun bike. My brothers 19 yz250f is a superior machine in many ways. For me, I need a yamaha engine...
For me, the Honda is a fun bike. My brothers 19 yz250f is a superior machine in many ways. For me, I need a yamaha engine in a Honda chassis. 😁
What about the Yzf in a RMZ chassis.
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I you're a 450 rider? The Honda power delivery takes a while to figure out. If you're coming of an 85 0r a 125...? It's awesome...
I you're a 450 rider? The Honda power delivery takes a while to figure out. If you're coming of an 85 0r a 125...? It's awesome. I think that engine is a blast to ride, It's like a super-torquey 2 stroke, to me. Keefer's kid rides one with, I think, with a little bit of work and a Vortex (again, I think...?) from Twisted...it rips around Glen Helen like a Boss!

The next-gen Honda 250 should be pretty damn nice. I'm just wondering if they'll make a new head casting or build a 2 into 1 header...?
This is spot on and exactly how I describe the power delivery. Very similar to a 250 2-stroke but a lot more over-rev. For me, the Yzf250 has more torque Down low but feels flat on top...just depends what you like and what works for you.
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11/22/2020 6:52pm
CRF 250 has always been a turd.
Swapmoto guys mostly said it was the most fun bike to ride for 2021...
I rode a 2021 CRF250 today and I really liked it! It was fun to run, handled great, had great power delivery and felt natural, like I've owned it for years even though I just go on it. I'll add the 2022 CRF250 to my short list for a new bike if they get away from the dual head pipe/dual exhaust next year.
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lumpy790 wrote:
Rumor in the down low is 2022 will be the year of all electric Whistling
That's 2024 bro..... stamp it.....
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Mouse153 wrote:
I rode a 2021 CRF250 today and I really liked it! It was fun to run, handled great, had great power delivery and felt natural, like...
I rode a 2021 CRF250 today and I really liked it! It was fun to run, handled great, had great power delivery and felt natural, like I've owned it for years even though I just go on it. I'll add the 2022 CRF250 to my short list for a new bike if they get away from the dual head pipe/dual exhaust next year.
What’s your daily driver you’re comparing it to?
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I hope the small issues with the 450 (under sprung, mapping, muffler getting dented easy) are hammered out for the 2022 250. Did this happen last time Honda did a major revamp?
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I hope the small issues with the 450 (under sprung, mapping, muffler getting dented easy) are hammered out for the 2022 250. Did this happen last...
I hope the small issues with the 450 (under sprung, mapping, muffler getting dented easy) are hammered out for the 2022 250. Did this happen last time Honda did a major revamp?
I currently own what was the last major revamp of the 450 (2017). When it first came out I heard people had hard starting issues, skid plate bolt spinning in the frame and a few people on here cracked their cases due to a problem with the decompression release. I have 140 hours on mine and zero issues. Bummer to hear the 21 wasn't what we all thought it would be bone stock but I'm sure it will be awesome for 22
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Anyone think Honda does a 2022 250r works edition? I've never bought a brand new bike myself, an currently dont have a big bike. Plan is to save up for a 22' 250 regardless, but id rather just buy the bike new with some of the WE goodies already on it.
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12/11/2020 11:42am
Five2Five wrote:
Anyone think Honda does a 2022 250r works edition? I've never bought a brand new bike myself, an currently dont have a big bike. Plan is...
Anyone think Honda does a 2022 250r works edition? I've never bought a brand new bike myself, an currently dont have a big bike. Plan is to save up for a 22' 250 regardless, but id rather just buy the bike new with some of the WE goodies already on it.
The reason why you don't see many 250 factory/works edition's is because the people buying them are usually vet riders with disposable income. Those same riders normally prefer 450s. I'd assume Honda will stick with that same theory.
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Five2Five wrote:
Anyone think Honda does a 2022 250r works edition? I've never bought a brand new bike myself, an currently dont have a big bike. Plan is...
Anyone think Honda does a 2022 250r works edition? I've never bought a brand new bike myself, an currently dont have a big bike. Plan is to save up for a 22' 250 regardless, but id rather just buy the bike new with some of the WE goodies already on it.
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The reason why you don't see many 250 factory/works edition's is because the people buying them are usually vet riders with disposable income. Those same riders...
The reason why you don't see many 250 factory/works edition's is because the people buying them are usually vet riders with disposable income. Those same riders normally prefer 450s. I'd assume Honda will stick with that same theory.
Yup, I’m the rare vet that is 6 foot and 160 pounds, so a 250 is perfect, but most vets with money to throw at bikes probably want some more HP.

I wish they made a works version of the 250, but apparently they sell so few it’s not worth the cost of distributing them / porting the heads. You can send the fork to Enzo for a revalve and coating, get the exhaust, and get a vortex ECU and that’s basically the factory edition.

I assume the 250 is in production now, and chance we see some sneak peaks soon?
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I’ve never understood why someone wants a “screamer”. When your that high in the revs it binds the shock and handles poorly through bumps etc. more torque is the key IMO
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I’ve never understood why someone wants a “screamer”. When your that high in the revs it binds the shock and handles poorly through bumps etc. more...
I’ve never understood why someone wants a “screamer”. When your that high in the revs it binds the shock and handles poorly through bumps etc. more torque is the key IMO
That happens when your bike stops pulling and you hit the limiter. This happens all the time on 19/20 YZ250F. A bike that pulls well in the mid range and doesn’t rev out super fast, where you get that binding feeling, is fun to ride if you carry speed well.
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Not sure how it compares I’ve never ridden the Yamaha. I think I’ve got 45 on the 14:3 right now. Definitely pushing it but I bought...
Not sure how it compares I’ve never ridden the Yamaha. I think I’ve got 45 on the 14:3 right now. Definitely pushing it but I bought a 2021 KX250 yesterday. Out of the box the engines way more enjoyable to ride than the Honda.
Have you heard any first hand feedback on the Red Moto 300cc kit? It''s around $1,000 but they also re-flash your ECU. A buddy of mine did it to an x model and said it's incredible. I would love to get back on a Honda 250f that can pull a 200lb vet rider.
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I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself.

I’m torn between a couple right now, getting one more season out of my kxf and then I’m halfway wanting a gasgas, halfway wanting another green bike since they finally put an e-start on it, but if they’d make a crf with a little more low end I could be swayed. My first 4t was an 05 crf250 I picked up in late 04 and rode the hell out of for several years. I’d be happy to be on another.
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slodsm wrote:
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself. I’m torn between a couple right...
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself.

I’m torn between a couple right now, getting one more season out of my kxf and then I’m halfway wanting a gasgas, halfway wanting another green bike since they finally put an e-start on it, but if they’d make a crf with a little more low end I could be swayed. My first 4t was an 05 crf250 I picked up in late 04 and rode the hell out of for several years. I’d be happy to be on another.
Most dudes are too proud to admit this. I feel like, if you're fast, you can go fast on a 250 and have fun. If you're slow, you shouldn't be on a 450 anyways.

Anyways, I am mostly thinking about getting the CRF250 for the "fun-factor". The Yamaha is great, but people always talk about how well the Honda handles and how fun it is to ride. I would probably pick up a 2021 if they were not coming out with a new 2022. I just hope Honda retains the handling and chassis prowess and add a bit more low end.
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slodsm wrote:
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself. I’m torn between a couple right...
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself.

I’m torn between a couple right now, getting one more season out of my kxf and then I’m halfway wanting a gasgas, halfway wanting another green bike since they finally put an e-start on it, but if they’d make a crf with a little more low end I could be swayed. My first 4t was an 05 crf250 I picked up in late 04 and rode the hell out of for several years. I’d be happy to be on another.
Most dudes are too proud to admit this. I feel like, if you're fast, you can go fast on a 250 and have fun. If you're...
Most dudes are too proud to admit this. I feel like, if you're fast, you can go fast on a 250 and have fun. If you're slow, you shouldn't be on a 450 anyways.

Anyways, I am mostly thinking about getting the CRF250 for the "fun-factor". The Yamaha is great, but people always talk about how well the Honda handles and how fun it is to ride. I would probably pick up a 2021 if they were not coming out with a new 2022. I just hope Honda retains the handling and chassis prowess and add a bit more low end.
Exactly! Current 250f's are incredible bikes with plenty of power for most. A few months ago I made the switch and it was the best bike decision I've made. It's like...ok I can ride a 450 to a small fraction of its potential, or ride a 250 to more if the bike's potential, actually put in more laps on it and enjoying the lighter more nimble bike. Can I ride the entire track in 3rd gear? No, but that's boring and lazy to me anyways. To slodsm, I'm on a 21 KX250 and the bike has an incredible motor. You wouldn't regret the KX one bit. It's even better with custom ecu mapping and T4. I do love Honda, so I will also be interested to see the 2022. The ergos of the 2022 CRF450 are awesome, and if they can bump up the power on next year's 250 it's going to be a stellar bike.
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2/1/2021 10:37am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2021 10:39am
slodsm wrote:
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself. I’m torn between a couple right...
I’m a 6ft 200lb vet rider and I still ride 250’s. Just can’t handle the 450 and actually enjoy myself.

I’m torn between a couple right now, getting one more season out of my kxf and then I’m halfway wanting a gasgas, halfway wanting another green bike since they finally put an e-start on it, but if they’d make a crf with a little more low end I could be swayed. My first 4t was an 05 crf250 I picked up in late 04 and rode the hell out of for several years. I’d be happy to be on another.
Most dudes are too proud to admit this. I feel like, if you're fast, you can go fast on a 250 and have fun. If you're...
Most dudes are too proud to admit this. I feel like, if you're fast, you can go fast on a 250 and have fun. If you're slow, you shouldn't be on a 450 anyways.

Anyways, I am mostly thinking about getting the CRF250 for the "fun-factor". The Yamaha is great, but people always talk about how well the Honda handles and how fun it is to ride. I would probably pick up a 2021 if they were not coming out with a new 2022. I just hope Honda retains the handling and chassis prowess and add a bit more low end.
Rode my 21' CRF250 last weekend for the first time after coming off a 19' Kawi 250. My experience seemed to mirror what the shootouts say. The motor was lacking and it struggled a bit in the sand but by the end of the day I was having an absolute blast. I haven't been on a Honda since my 85 in 03' but I felt the same joy on this bike. I cant wait to ride it again.
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Rode my 21' CRF250 last weekend for the first time after coming off a 19' Kawi 250. My experience seemed to mirror what the shootouts say...
Rode my 21' CRF250 last weekend for the first time after coming off a 19' Kawi 250. My experience seemed to mirror what the shootouts say. The motor was lacking and it struggled a bit in the sand but by the end of the day I was having an absolute blast. I haven't been on a Honda since my 85 in 03' but I felt the same joy on this bike. I cant wait to ride it again.
That's cool. How lacking did you think the motor was?

I will probably get a Vortex ignition mapped by XPR Motorsports, run VP T4, and get a Yosh pipe. I think that will get it close enough to a Yamaha that the fun factor way outweighs the lack of power.
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That's cool. How lacking did you think the motor was? I will probably get a Vortex ignition mapped by XPR Motorsports, run VP T4, and get...
That's cool. How lacking did you think the motor was?

I will probably get a Vortex ignition mapped by XPR Motorsports, run VP T4, and get a Yosh pipe. I think that will get it close enough to a Yamaha that the fun factor way outweighs the lack of power.
I can't give a direct 1 to 1 comparison just yet, first time at that track so I haven't ridden the kawi there. That being said, it didn't have much to offer in the low-speed corners. Once I started carrying more momentum and kept it singing, it felt great. It's definitely not a lug around type bike, it likes the higher rpms. I am looking into the Vortex myself.
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New ECU with good fuel and exhaust would make a good difference. It will help with pickup when it gets into deeper dirt. I hated that about my 19. I couldnt take deeper outsides because the motor would need to be clutched back into life like 1-3 times depending on how long. Limited line choices. Also with the engine falling on its face like that, makes the front end nervous
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Leeham wrote:
New ECU with good fuel and exhaust would make a good difference. It will help with pickup when it gets into deeper dirt. I hated that...
New ECU with good fuel and exhaust would make a good difference. It will help with pickup when it gets into deeper dirt. I hated that about my 19. I couldnt take deeper outsides because the motor would need to be clutched back into life like 1-3 times depending on how long. Limited line choices. Also with the engine falling on its face like that, makes the front end nervous
I see you went blue for 21. Any thoughts about going back to the Honda, or do you prefer the Yamaha?
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Leeham wrote:
New ECU with good fuel and exhaust would make a good difference. It will help with pickup when it gets into deeper dirt. I hated that...
New ECU with good fuel and exhaust would make a good difference. It will help with pickup when it gets into deeper dirt. I hated that about my 19. I couldnt take deeper outsides because the motor would need to be clutched back into life like 1-3 times depending on how long. Limited line choices. Also with the engine falling on its face like that, makes the front end nervous
I see you went blue for 21. Any thoughts about going back to the Honda, or do you prefer the Yamaha?
Only way I go back to Honda is if they give me something close engine wise to the Yam. Chassis was good, little on the rigid side stock but with motor mounts from works chassis lab it was really good. Bike turns really good, almost too good at times for me
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If we look at Hondas history of running the same engine for plenty of years, moving it in to a new chassis i doubt that Honda will scrap this engine in 2022, we could still see a dual exhaust on the next gen chassis..
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Have you heard any first hand feedback on the Red Moto 300cc kit? It''s around $1,000 but they also re-flash your ECU. A buddy of mine...
Have you heard any first hand feedback on the Red Moto 300cc kit? It''s around $1,000 but they also re-flash your ECU. A buddy of mine did it to an x model and said it's incredible. I would love to get back on a Honda 250f that can pull a 200lb vet rider.
I have a RedMoto 300cc kit in my crf250. It’s fantastic. As expected,There isn’t a std bore 250f, that hasn’t been heavily modified, that’s even close to my near stock, with the exception of the RedMoto kittted bike. It’s probably the best money $ for $ that you can spend on that bike.
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Rumor is that it will be different than the ‘21 but similar to the ‘23.
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When my bike was stock I didn't feel it was a slow bike but the lack low end torque was noticeable. You had to keep momentum through turns. A re-mapped vortex, Yosh exh. air filter screen delete, good fuel and a Recluse torque drive clutch helped mine quite a bit. Picks up sooner and stronger through out the whole rev range. I would like to try a 1 larger tooth sprocket now to help out the low end even more since it picked up more over rev. The Honda has great ergonomics, corners like a dream and feels the lightest in the air to me. The Honda may feel slower then the other bikes because of the power delivery but lap times would tell a different story. My guess the 22 will get a completely different head with a center port exhaust, single can and wouldn't be surprised if they changes the bore and stroke to what Husky, KTM, Gas Gas and kawi are running to give the bike more bottom and mid torque. We'll find out soon enough.
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On tighter tracks, my Honda was hard to clear some of the bigger jumps if didnt have excellent corner speed. Open sweeping tracks. Not an issue. The Yamaha does everything.

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